1911 Guys, Can we talk about these new Para USA guns?

[CQB27]

What's wrong with a ramped 45acp 1911?

From another thread on a 1911 specific board:

"Almost all the top pistolsmiths will tell you that a single stack 1911 in .45 runs better withe the standard configuration. Check with Novak's, Hilton Yam, and others.

The angle of the one-piece ramp is steeper than the standard configuration, and actually gives more problems feeding. The one-piece ramp was developed when the IPSC crowd began pushing the .38 Super hotter and hotter to make major. It provided better support of the case head. The .45 acp cartridge is much lower pressure and doesn't need the help.

The newer, much shorter guns use bushing-less, ramped barrels because the relationship between the barrel, slide and frame is very different than the 5" 1911.

Some people look at the one-piece ramp as a solution so they can use JHP ammo in aluminum frame guns, like the LW Commander. Now that companies like EGW make a steel frame feed ramp insert (the place that gets chewed up in the frame from JHP ammo), this looks to be the better solution."

Liked sparked1 said above, ramped barrels can be made to run reliable when chambered in 45acp. However they are more likely to be magazine finicky than a standard barrel. IMHO, that is trouble I need not deal with when selecting a 45acp pistol. As always, YMMV.

 

[sparked1]

What's wrong with a ramped 45acp 1911?

I'm hoping nothing, and that it's simply one of those Internet arguments like standard vs. full length guide rod, or internal vs. external extractor.

 

[sparked1]

Isn't that the same thing that happens with Glock's? The .45 ACP is a low pressure round. So it seems like a ramped 1911 would be a non-issue.

I thought it had more to do with feeding reliability than an unsupported part of the chamber. Your right, Glocks are "notoriously" unsupported.

 

[Aimless]

I thought it had more to do with feeding reliability than an unsupported part of the chamber. Your right, Glocks are "notoriously" unsupported.

I don't know enough about 1911s to know the difference. In Glock's though, the point I was making, Glock's are unsupported and they handle .45, .357 Sig, .40, and 10mm just fine. So it seems like having an unsupported isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be. But like I said, I don't know enough about 1911s to know one way or the other. I honestly buy 1911s based on looks. Sad I know, but true.

 

[Tony2X]

I'll stick with my G21. Looks like a good 1911 though.

 

[CQB27]

I'm hoping nothing, and that it's simply one of those Internet arguments like standard vs. full length guide rod, or internal vs. external extractor.

If you do a little "internet detective" work, you will find folks complaining about magazine reliability in there 9mm ramped 1911s. The 9mm is the most produced ramped version of the 1911 and most likely why we see the most complaints. Most ramped 1911s ship from the manufacturer with magazines that have been tuned and are pretty much 100% reliable. The problem starts when looking for additional magazines begins, some work and many don't.

 

[sparked1]

I'll stick with my G21. Looks like a good 1911 though.

I could be upset because your post could trigger a Glock vs. 1911 thread derailment, but that would never happen here. lol

 

[sparked1]

If you do a little "internet detective" work, you will find folks complaining about magazine reliability in there 9mm ramped 1911s. The 9mm is the most produced ramped version of the 1911 and most likely why we see the most complaints. Most ramped 1911s ship from the manufacturer with magazines that have been tuned and are pretty much 100% reliable. The problem starts when looking for additional magazines begin, some work and many don't.

I'll read more on it, but I'm not overly concerned since I load my own .45 and can tweak my rounds to a specific gun. Also, this won't be a carry gun and probably not home defense either. Just a range gun. I know 1911s in general can be finicky and I can deal with it because I really enjoy the platform. It doesn't take much to get them to run flawlessly anyhow, especially if the mfr will make it right.

 

[CQB27]

I don't know enough about 1911s to know the difference. In Glock's though, the point I was making, Glock's are unsupported and they handle .45, .357 Sig, .40, and 10mm just fine. So it seems like having an unsupported isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be. But like I said, I don't know enough about 1911s to know one way or the other. I honestly buy 1911s based on looks. Sad I know, but true.

Ramped barrels in the 1911 support the casing more than standard (non-ramped) barrels and are a must for 10mm, 40cal and 38 Super in the 1911 platform.

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It is more a feeding/magazine issue than anything else

 

[CQB27]

I'll read more on it, but I'm not overly concerned since I load my own .45 and can tweak my rounds to a specific gun. Also, this won't be a carry gun and probably not home defense either. Just a range gun. I know 1911s in general can be finicky and I can deal with it because I really enjoy the platform. It doesn't take much to get them to run flawlessly anyhow, especially if the mfr will make it right.

I agree. If you do purchase one, give us a range report and review of the pistol. It looks like it could be a winner and I am all for competition in the 1911 production world. Drives quality, selection up and keeps prices affordable.