9/11: What really happened

[renagadeinjun]

Perhaps the construction materials and design differences between the Empire State Building and the Twin Towers, not to mention the size of the aircraft (as well as fuel capacity and airspeed), contributed to the different outcomes.

And please, don't label me a know it all. I just search the web when i have questions. I knew none of this before i searched for it.
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There are many questions most unanswered. I have seen your information years ago; high-octane ,less fuel Empire state building more weight on structure due to lime-stone concrete would be more apt to deflect due to heat etc... but the most concerning question for me is 'MOLTEN STEEL' seen in pictures and found in rubble???? and the building free falling to ground on its own foot print! if upper floors came down on a Structal sound lower floors the upper floors would have had resistance to cause it veer off in one of four directions ..... both buildings fell in their own footprints of which is highly unlikely if lower floors were structurally sound ............ then there was the explosions heard and reported from the lower floors..... so many question..............

 

[roydamnmercer]

But when presented any “Science” most on here go tinfoiler. Then dismiss any facts as a cover up and offer an alternative solution and a link to a complete moron spewing what that they believe in.

So thats the otherside of the coin…

Exactly. If only the opposite of being wrong was actually “being right”. Unfortunately…and few actually understand this…two opposing sides to any argument can, and often are, both completely wrong. It’s when we dig in and stop seeking the answers, regardless of facts presented to the contrary, that when one’s ideology wins out over truth.

Somewhere in the middle usually resides the truth…it’s called common ground, and we rarely seek it or trust the other side enough to meet them there.

Right vs left
Black vs white
Vax vs antivax
Ford vs Chevy
9mm vs 45acp

Pick your side and die there, never concede an inch!

 

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[Lionheart]

George W. Bush.

Unable to form a coherent sentence.

Mastermind behind one of the greatest conspiracies in American history.


I slept at a Holiday Inn Express where I saw a YouTube video, now I’m an expert in structural engineering and thermodynamics.

I question everything the government says yet blindly accept everything Rosie O’Donnell, Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones says as gospel truth.

“The government used CGI and photoshopped all the video footage of planes on 9/11…so like watch these like totally legit videos I found on like the web that like totally prove it, dude!”



C’mon, man. Our politicians are indeed crooked as hell, but they’re just way too inept to pull off anything this complicated.

Are you kidding? Our “politicians “ are idiots. Puppets.
The people behind them that pulled off the recent Covid hoax, propaganda event, test of population control, psych ops?
They are devious, smart and completely evil mfr’s.
So back in the late 90’s if you wanted to strip Americans of many freedoms, begin a fear control campaign and eliminate certain players on the global board…how could you get Americans to not only stand by and let you do it…but enthusiastically support and PAY for it?
Enter 9/11.
And those evil sob’s wouldn’t blink at massive loss of life…nope, rather they would revel in it.

 

[Lionheart]

Tower 7 did have fires break out and the fire suppression system didn't have enough pressure to work. Office fires, with or without jet fuel, can reach 2,000° F.

https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and-answers-about-nist-wtc-7-investigation
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You are citing a GOVERNMENT website? For me to believe?
Are they like or related to the NIH, or maybe the sacred CDC?
Or maybe the IRS, DOJ, FBI, etc?
Surely they all tell the truth all the time right?

 

[Mrs_Esterhouse]

The intel was there. People died. Then people got understandably angry, and started pointing fingers and making sh*t up to blame someone. The gov't failed to act and keep Americans safe. Then they rushed the assesment on wmd in order to get retaliation. That intel was bad too. The. They fumbled the withdraw and more died. That's it. No one is coming save us.

You're alleging incompetency, which is bad enough. We're alleging this was not incompetency. It was deliberate malfeasance.

 

[GeauxLSU]

I always find the psychology of conspiracy theorists more intriguing than the actual theories. Conspiracies generally start off with a reasonable question and then perhaps even a somewhat plausible theory. But as the theory unravels more and more increasingly unrealistic supporting theories come into play, and then "rumors", until the whole thing is just astronomically not only improbable but impossible. And it's a specific mentality that thrives on these. Very rarely you meet somebody that holds to one conspiracy theory and not several. And they will not be deterred. Look at Newtown for example. A grieving father has a nervous laugh for 2 seconds and that's all that needed. Suddenly all these kids didn't exist and the entire thing was fake. It's truly fascinating and shockingly frightening that it's apparently not an inconsequential part of the population that so easily twist reality. To what end?
Maybe it's the chemtrails....

 

[User170512]

entertaining that is pointless because the plane was still over 70 stories from the basement sublevel where the support beam was cross cut. That kind of heat transfer in that timeframe is not possible no matter how much jet fuel and o2 present. Also will not result in a cross cut on a primary support

Did no one on the demo team use a cutting torch or plasma rig?

 

[greg vess]

I haven't done enough research to hear any of the questionable materials found. That picture of that piece of steel looks like that was cut with a plasma cutter on an exact angle. That could have happened during the cleanup or rescue efforts in order to clear debris. But I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories a lot anyways. But then again I have to remind myself to second-guess our government because of all the crooked things they do on both sides Democratic and Republican. In America power and greed rules all. Even in our government it's still the number one motivational Factor and just about every senator, congressman, president or what have you. So who's to say one way or another.

I just remember that day I was at the car dealership working and everything came to a complete halt and we all hovered around the television set at the concessions area of the dealership. I literally could not believe my eyes.

The question I offer is how likely is that unarmed insurgents took over 3 almost 4 planes at the same time and were 100% successful in their objectives almost at the same exact time with no back lash from the passengers. Weird to say the least. It also doesn't speak positively about the bravado of the American civilian passengers. That's really the only highly unlikely events that took place simultaneously and perfect in execution. I find that more disturbing than I would of molten steel and structural integrity of a buildings. That could have been cheaped out on to begin with by greedy construction companies using substandard building materials and codes. You know a lot of that is happening more than we would care to think about.

 

[User170512]

I always find the psychology of conspiracy theorists more intriguing than the actual theories. Conspiracies generally start off with a reasonable question and then perhaps even a somewhat plausible theory. But as the theory unravels more and more increasingly unrealistic supporting theories come into play, and then "rumors", until the whole thing is just astronomically not only improbable but impossible. And it's a specific mentality that thrives on these. Very rarely you meet somebody that holds to one conspiracy theory and not several. And they will not be deterred. Look at Newtown for example. A grieving father has a nervous laugh for 2 seconds and that's all that needed. Suddenly all these kids didn't exist and the entire thing was fake. It's truly fascinating and shockingly frightening that it's apparently not an inconsequential part of the population that so easily twist reality. To what end?
Maybe it's the chemtrails....

I would counter that it is a developed mechanism after being lied to SO much by your government. So much. It starts to make you doubt everything you hear. Almost more plausible to disbelieve.