Arms trade treaty....

[Constitution Hour]

What I mean is Government is a fiction, a creation of the mind, Law comes from the same place, even if it is born
within the first creation, Government.

 

[herebyproxy]

You can accuse me of being overly optimistic...but I doubt the "real" vote was that close. There are undoubtedly some of those 46 who genuinely support the treat, but I would doubt that there was a single senator from either side who thought it would actually pass. I would guess that the majority of those 46 were pandering to their base, knowing it would never happen. If they actually thought they might be held accountable for their vote, it would have gone down in spectacular fashion.

Correctamundo!

 

[FrogMan]

What I mean is Government is a fiction, a creation of the mind, Law comes from the same place, even if it is born
within the first creation, Government.

you know what else is a creation of the mind?

 

[Freebird65]

Dick Morris' view is much different talking about treaties and the constitution:

http://www.dickmorris.com/defeat-un-arms-trade-treaty-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

 

[Constitution Hour]

you know what else is a creation of the mind?

I knew I could count on you brother.

 

[jcountry]

no treaty can override the constitution so its mostly meaningless

That is a subject of debate.

-Just a year or two ago, no reasonable person would ever have thought that the supreme court would allow complete economic takeover of the healthcare system-and compel each and every legal citizen to engage in a particular contract for a service. (Even if they don't wish to.)
-A few years ago, we would never have thought that something like the NSA could spy on everything that every single one of us does electronically (4th amendment.)
-Ten years ago, there were no such things as warrantless wiretaps, FISA courts, etc.

The constitution is a "living, breathing document" to liberals. They don't care what the intent behind it was. They don't care what it actually says. They just want to bend it to suit their needs.

I wouldn't put anything past the govt we have today.

 

[Constitution Hour]

That is a subject of debate.

-Just a year or two ago, no reasonable person would ever have thought that the supreme court would allow complete economic takeover of the healthcare system-and compel each and every legal citizen to engage in a particular contract for a service. (Even if they don't wish to.)
-A few years ago, we would never have thought that something like the NSA could spy on everything that every single one of us does electronically (4th amendment.)
-Ten years ago, there were no such things as warrantless wiretaps, FISA courts, etc.

The constitution is a "living, breathing document" to liberals. They don't care what the intent behind it was. They don't care what it actually says. They just want to bend it to suit their needs.

I wouldn't put anything past the govt we have today.

The disregard for our Constitution is nothing new, The very first adminstration violated it, and just about every one since has done likewise.
People will do what you accept,not what you expect.

 

[jcountry]

The disregard for our Constitution is nothing new, The very first adminstration violated it, and just about every one since has done likewise.
People will do what you accept,not what you expect.

Very, very well put!

 

[Freebird65]

[h=1]U.S. Constitution - Article 6[/h]This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

 

[dunkel]

[h=1]U.S. Constitution - Article 6[/h]This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

ugh...and this has been consistently interpreted, from what I understand, to say that the Constitution is over any treaties if the two are in conflict.