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Well, today I called the NFA branch of the ATF for the first time to get some guidance on correctly measuring OAL with a folder. Waited about n hold for 40 mins and finally got a live human on the line. She was very nice and transferred me to a ‘specialist’. Phone rang and I got a voicemail so I left a message. Hopefully I get a call back because I don’t want to have to listen to that elevator music for 40 mins again!
Happy Tuesday y’all!
 
Well, today I called the NFA branch of the ATF for the first time to get some guidance on correctly measuring OAL with a folder. Waited about n hold for 40 mins and finally got a live human on the line. She was very nice and transferred me to a ‘specialist’. Phone rang and I got a voicemail so I left a message. Hopefully I get a call back because I don’t want to have to listen to that elevator music for 40 mins again!
Happy Tuesday y’all!
Don’t disrespect the elevator music. Shoot me a DM and I’ll help you with the form 1 process :)
 
They are very nice people in W. Virginia. They don;t have a lot of time but they are very helpful and friendly from every experience I've had with them.
 
Well, today I called the NFA branch of the ATF for the first time to get some guidance on correctly measuring OAL with a folder. Waited about n hold for 40 mins and finally got a live human on the line. She was very nice and transferred me to a ‘specialist’. Phone rang and I got a voicemail so I left a message. Hopefully I get a call back because I don’t want to have to listen to that elevator music for 40 mins again!
Happy Tuesday y’all!


Honestly, measure how you want. It really doesn’t make a difference. I always measure mine in their shortest possible config, at least I did until the one I didn’t.
 
They are very nice people in W. Virginia. They don;t have a lot of time but they are very helpful and friendly from every experience I've had with them.

I agree. I've gotten a real person every time I've called. They were nice and helpful. I believe the people working their are just doing a job and they don't really believe in the bs that comes from above their paygrade.
 
if i remember correctly AOL is from stock or brace fully extended and any barrel length is from the bolt face

The last ATF letter I saw said:

"In contrast to stocks on rifles or shotguns…”stabilizing braces” are merely accessories and not relevant to the classification of a “pistol” under the statutory definition. That is, a folding stock on a rifle or shotgun is included in overall length measurements because the firearm must be “designed or redesigned….and intended to be fired from the shoulder” to be so classified. The stock is therefore an essential element in the statutory definition."

Based on that, the ATF is saying that a stabilizing brace is not an integral part of the firearm and is not relevant to the overall length measurement. So a 32" AR pistol would actually be about 22" without the brace length included. That just means they put more firearms in NFA territory.

Firearms equipped with stabilizing braces need to have their overall length measured with the brace folded, or to the end of the receiver extension if the brace is stationary and non-adjustable.
 
The last ATF letter I saw said:

"In contrast to stocks on rifles or shotguns…”stabilizing braces” are merely accessories and not relevant to the classification of a “pistol” under the statutory definition. That is, a folding stock on a rifle or shotgun is included in overall length measurements because the firearm must be “designed or redesigned….and intended to be fired from the shoulder” to be so classified. The stock is therefore an essential element in the statutory definition."

Based on that, the ATF is saying that a stabilizing brace is not an integral part of the firearm and is not relevant to the overall length measurement. So a 32" AR pistol would actually be about 22" without the brace length included. That just means they put more firearms in NFA territory.

Firearms equipped with stabilizing braces need to have their overall length measured with the brace folded, or to the end of the receiver extension if the brace is stationary and non-adjustable.
Wait, we actually have to comply? I'm way behind and a bit worried.
 
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