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Becoming an M&P fan??
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And you read this in Morgan Freeman's voice...
Anything mechanical can & will fail. Nobody gets it right everytime.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...andguns-reliability-issues-returns-sig-sauer/
http://www.policelink.com/topics/57011-officer-safety-lasd-de-certifies-sw-mp-pistol/posts
Several of my alumni love theirs. I think its a good design overall and would have confidence in it if I had one that was reliable after 500-1000 rds. + .
I like them... especially the Compact .22, the M&P .45c, & the Shield.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...andguns-reliability-issues-returns-sig-sauer/
http://www.policelink.com/topics/57011-officer-safety-lasd-de-certifies-sw-mp-pistol/posts
Several of my alumni love theirs. I think its a good design overall and would have confidence in it if I had one that was reliable after 500-1000 rds. + .
I like them... especially the Compact .22, the M&P .45c, & the Shield.
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I have the m&p 40, love it! I definitely shoot it better than I do a glock
One thing with the M&P is that I can tell when I'm starting to relax too much and limp wrist when shooting. It doesn't malfunction but you can tell the slide is cycling slower but it never stove pipes, ftf, or fte.
Funny thing about Glocks, they have just as many issues as other quality polymer guns. Broken frames due to weapon light use, brass to face, the disastrous Gen4 roll out, etc. But they have done an amazing job over the years propagating the Glock mythos. As Ernest Langdon told our class last year, they just seem to wave a magic wand and convince people that everything is A-OK. "nothing to see here folks, just move along..."
Just like any other manufacturer, how they stand behind the product is just as important as the initial quality when it rolls off of the line. Glock does a good job with that, but so does Smith. Or at least they have in my experience. I'm not anti Glock, nor am I a blind M&P fanboy. I've used both over the last 20 years. Currently, I have settled on the M&P, as it seems to be the best for me. And that's after chasing the white Rabbit over the last couple of years with a G19, the PPQ (x2) and VP9. They're great guns too, but I just find myself always gravitating back to the M&P.
Just like any other manufacturer, how they stand behind the product is just as important as the initial quality when it rolls off of the line. Glock does a good job with that, but so does Smith. Or at least they have in my experience. I'm not anti Glock, nor am I a blind M&P fanboy. I've used both over the last 20 years. Currently, I have settled on the M&P, as it seems to be the best for me. And that's after chasing the white Rabbit over the last couple of years with a G19, the PPQ (x2) and VP9. They're great guns too, but I just find myself always gravitating back to the M&P.
Very true. Word of mouth is the best referral you can have. Anything man made had the potential to break. How Glock handles it is what makes the the top choice for most. Customer service is often overlooked until there is a problem. If you get a great experience with customer service with a product or service that may have given you trouble you are more likely to "forgive and forget" and continue to use said products or services. It's experiences like the ones I've had with Glock that keeps me coming back.
Long story short, I traded into a G21 with a cracked frame that I didn't notice until I got home. Called Glock, told me to bring it up. Got there and explained what happened. This was a Gen 2 G21 with who knows how many owners. Replaced everything except the slide and barrel. I mean DAMN! That is way above and beyond what most companies would ever do.
I have no problem w/ change... or options that WORK better for certain people. If there is one thing I've learned from watching the 1000+ students who have come through my classes is that there is not one perfect pistol for everyone ( which agrees w/ part of your statement above).
However the revolver & the Glock both seem to work for the greatest percentage of people.... mainly due to their simplicity of operation. Imitation is the greatest (or sincerest) form of flattery so it is of great benefit to us all that there are so many designs that borrow from the Glock. The most common comment I hear from those who prefer a different pistol is the "better" grip angle... usually the more "1911ish" feel/ grip of the M&P, XD, etc. vs. the more European "Luger-like" grip of the Glock.
That along w/ not designing the Glock to have a more "1911ish" trigger are the only 2 design changes I wish had been incorporated into the guns design.
However, when I VERY RELUCTANTLY switched over to the Glock from the Sig P226 I had been carrying ('89 or so) , it was because I followed the leaders of the industry at the time (Massad Ayoob, Chuck Taylor, Leroy Thompson, Jan Libourel, etc.) who I figured were much smarter than me & who were mostly switching over from the 1911. Like many in those days, I couldn't stand the Glock.
But it just worked & was simple to use.
It is a great thing for all of us that these new designs are finally becoming more "usable". Some of the clumsy, first attempts such as the Sigma, S&W SW9, & other 1st Gen. polymer pistols from other mfrs. were not even good contenders.
Finally we're getting some really nice designs that, once they establish reliable track records, will be "perfect" for some people.
As I've said before unlike a recreational shooter or even a frequent "weekend" shooter, when you use one in a professional capacity on a regular weekly (& sometimes daily) basis you place a HIGH, HIGH value on reliability. Its gives you a TOTALLY different perspective.
My gun HAS to work. I have enough to worry about w/o "fighting" w/ my gun. Also shooting tens of thousands of rounds per year vs. a few hundred or so a month plus watching others shoot even more gives you a very broad database to draw conclusions from.
That is why the majority of those in the training community prefer the Glock. People paying you for your time DO NOT want you screwing around w/ your gun instead of focusing on them & their needs.
Are there examples of very reliable guns other than Glock? Sure.... but day in, day out I've not found anything else that is MORE reliable or better overall... YET
This is a great post and most of the reasons why I still stick with Glock. Like you, I did not care for Glock at first but came around eventually like many others. I have been shooting them for over 20 years so they feel pretty natural to me, although I'll be the first to admit there are others I shoot slightly better. I still shoot Glocks pretty well, at least by my standards. They hit where I aim them.
I am not a firearms instructor but the overwhelming majority of instructors who see most everything, training in all weathers and conditions, and doing it everyday agree Glock is the most reliable, durable option available. That's a pretty good reason to stick with them, and although I may not be a firearms instructor, I may someday depend on my Glock to defend my life and I want something that is going to be reliable. True, any machine can break or fail and Glocks are no exception, but they are the most proven handguns over the past 30 years. That's the most important option when considering any weapon. Firearms instructors all the way around the globe see hundreds of thousands of rounds fired every year and almost all of them agree Glock is the most trustworthy brand. The numbers don't lie.
