Been my experience when people get to figgerin' they usually find a way to get something for nothing.thanks guys!!! yes....he's not on my friend list right now...the thing is, he and my dad did custom gun builds(he did all the work) my dad added the money..... when my dad passed, I got all his "stuff"....so, I guess, since it was my dads, he just figured that he didn't need to pay me back.....NOT!!! I still have his pre 64 375H&H....and now, he has most all my brass, so I've got to replace....anyway....the stuff is friggin expensive!!!