Has anyone reloaded 300blkout with this powder? Good or no good? Ga.Arms has it for $45.00 a lb with no tax if your a Vet.
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CFE BLACK
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h110. just sayin'
I read some articles that gave it great reviews and I bought a lb for some .300AAC sub-loads with 220gr. Haven’t loaded them yet though.
I use that but this cfe stuff handles the full range of projectiles.I love the H110 though because i choot 500,460,454,44mag+ 300blkout.
It’s a solution looking for a problem and doesn’t really do anything better than other powders already availabl. It does however work really well for 458 socom super sonic loads. You forgot to say if you’re loading fast or quiet.
I picked up some CFE223 and I have read of good results with both the Black and 223 but haven't used it yet.
I had decent results loading subs with CFE Black, but MUCH better results with Shooters World Blackout. Even managed to get Shooters World to cycle my 7.5 inch pistol with subs.
And when loading supers, I've had outstanding results with Lil'Gun.
Still have a partial bottle of CFE Black I need to find a use for.
And when loading supers, I've had outstanding results with Lil'Gun.
Still have a partial bottle of CFE Black I need to find a use for.
I would give it a try, but I am currently, happily, working my way through LilGun-I only load 150 grain bullets. I am getting 2000fps in an 16 inch AR with 17.2grains. It is not the most accurate load, but is the best all around load-1.5moa at 100yard is as good as I have gotten with mixed brass.
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Fast right now,quiet in the near future.
CFE BLK has remained in stock somewhere most of the last 2+yrs. It's still "comparatively" cheap, and a little works wonders. That being said I won't be getting any, until I can have it in my hands for $30lb or less.
I for one think CFE BLK is a very magical powder! I run it exclusively in 2 - 300 HAM'R ARs. I originally built them to run W296, because it was cheap and I liked the velocities that QuickLoad said I could get with it.. Wilson Combat built the HAM'Rs with Supersonic ONLY in mind and a Mid length gas system.. So I had to go with ultralight buffers/clipped light springs and adjustable gas blocks. Not nearly the same amount of gas that CFE BLK produces..
I've loaded both supers and subs for friends using CFE BLK in 300blk and it functioned flawlessly with the pistol & carbine length systems. Desired accuracy and velocities were achieved. Some bullets with the BLKs fast twist rate (mostly w/supers) can get finicky..
My real experience however changed on Christmas day last year, I crammed some 300 HAM'R cases full (115%) under a 155gr Nosler Custom Competition and achieved unreal results. I've read Bill Wilson stating on the Texas Hunting Forum (300 HAM'R Thread) about varying LOT #'s of CFE BLK will result in Bulk powders that produce less pressure and Less bulky lots that will produce more.. I found some of the best lots listed and blended them together to make one big batch of kick ass.
Here is some info from my HAM'R Supersonic loading..
.308, 155, Nosler CC HPBT J4 53155
American Reloading Purchase 10/28/2021
$509.95/3,008= 16.9¢ ea.
Lengths: 1.153,1.152,1.153,1.156,1.155,1.153,1.157,1.151,1.156,1.153
HI 1.157 LO 1.151 ES .006" SD .0019" AVG 1.153"
Weights: 155.11,155,155.03,154.89,154.88,155.05,154.82,155.06,155.06,154.97
HI 155.11 LO 154.82 ES .29gr SD .09gr AVG 154.98
CFE BLK BLENDED HBN COATED BARREL AND BULLETS
CCI #450's In Multiple X's Fired Winchester Brass 1.603" 30.4gr H2O
COL 2.396" QL Start Pressure 2600
25.1gr 105.8% 2,202
2283,2329,2294,2256,2307
HI 2329 LO 2256 ES 73 SD 27.2 AVG 2,293.8
25.5gr 107.5% 2,237fps
2278,2309,2303,2264,2327
HI 2309 LO 2264 ES 45 SD 25.1 AVG 2,296.2
25.9gr 109.2 2,272fps
2344,2311,2296,2337,2334
HI 2344 LO 2296 ES 48 SD 20.1 AVG 2,324.4
26.3gr 110.9% 2,307fps
2377,2356,2324,2345,2325
HI 2377 LO 2324 ES 53 SD 22.2 AVG 2,345.4
26.7gr 112.5% 2,342fps
2384,2425,2403,2333,2381
HI 2425 LO 2333 ES 92 SD 34 AVG 2385.2
27.1gr 114.2% 2,377fps
2390,2362,2357,2434,2368
HI 2390 LO 2357 ES 33 SD 31.5 AVG 2,382.2
27.5gr 115.9% 2,413fps
2434,2422,2416,2415,2433,2458,2442,2425,2420,2434
HI 2458 LO 2415 ES 43 SD 13.2 AVG 2,430
2,033 ft. lbs!!!
*The numbers next to charge weights are from QL, with extensive testing and tuning I'm starting to see actual velocities closer to what it predicts.. The supposed predicted pressure is still ridiculous, something like 105,000psi on the max..
*
This is from 16.2" barrels! I'm currently working on making about 3k new brass.. as many of my original 1,600 pieces have been lost or shot and reloaded 4 or more times now.. So yeah there were some popped out primers due to the pockets being loose already.. But nothing crazy like pierced primers or case head separations.
Everyone over on the TexasHuntingForum is now making HAM'R bolt guns, out of
Ruger Ranch Rifles! So I ordered a custom throated 24" 1:11"T McGowen barrel that I'm going to send out to cryo treatment.. It is being built on a Remington 783 in .243 WIN, Armslist Waukesha, WI $340 in hand. A new .223 bolt head and go gauge is all I needed, same sort of barrel nut system as a Savage. It'll be in a Oryx chassis with polymer lined metal mags that allow seating out to 2.5" I'm hoping to hit almost 2,600 with a Speer 165gr BTSP @ 2.463" Claimed .52 G1 BC if remotely true it'll ring steel @ 1,000yd. Yep, I'm still pontificating..
I say give CFE BLK a try, you won't be disappointed! Supers or Subs. If you use QuickLoad, (or anyone reading this) DON'T believe the pressure numbers or even the velocities it spits out for it.. QuickLoad can't calculate all that magic!
If you decided to get some. I'd say get a general idea of how much you intend to use and try to buy the same lot.. If you just want a taste before getting more, you can always blend the lots. Happy and Safe BLK Magic Loading.
I for one think CFE BLK is a very magical powder! I run it exclusively in 2 - 300 HAM'R ARs. I originally built them to run W296, because it was cheap and I liked the velocities that QuickLoad said I could get with it.. Wilson Combat built the HAM'Rs with Supersonic ONLY in mind and a Mid length gas system.. So I had to go with ultralight buffers/clipped light springs and adjustable gas blocks. Not nearly the same amount of gas that CFE BLK produces..
I've loaded both supers and subs for friends using CFE BLK in 300blk and it functioned flawlessly with the pistol & carbine length systems. Desired accuracy and velocities were achieved. Some bullets with the BLKs fast twist rate (mostly w/supers) can get finicky..
My real experience however changed on Christmas day last year, I crammed some 300 HAM'R cases full (115%) under a 155gr Nosler Custom Competition and achieved unreal results. I've read Bill Wilson stating on the Texas Hunting Forum (300 HAM'R Thread) about varying LOT #'s of CFE BLK will result in Bulk powders that produce less pressure and Less bulky lots that will produce more.. I found some of the best lots listed and blended them together to make one big batch of kick ass.
Here is some info from my HAM'R Supersonic loading..
.308, 155, Nosler CC HPBT J4 53155
American Reloading Purchase 10/28/2021
$509.95/3,008= 16.9¢ ea.
Lengths: 1.153,1.152,1.153,1.156,1.155,1.153,1.157,1.151,1.156,1.153
HI 1.157 LO 1.151 ES .006" SD .0019" AVG 1.153"
Weights: 155.11,155,155.03,154.89,154.88,155.05,154.82,155.06,155.06,154.97
HI 155.11 LO 154.82 ES .29gr SD .09gr AVG 154.98
CFE BLK BLENDED HBN COATED BARREL AND BULLETS
CCI #450's In Multiple X's Fired Winchester Brass 1.603" 30.4gr H2O
COL 2.396" QL Start Pressure 2600
25.1gr 105.8% 2,202
2283,2329,2294,2256,2307
HI 2329 LO 2256 ES 73 SD 27.2 AVG 2,293.8
25.5gr 107.5% 2,237fps
2278,2309,2303,2264,2327
HI 2309 LO 2264 ES 45 SD 25.1 AVG 2,296.2
25.9gr 109.2 2,272fps
2344,2311,2296,2337,2334
HI 2344 LO 2296 ES 48 SD 20.1 AVG 2,324.4
26.3gr 110.9% 2,307fps
2377,2356,2324,2345,2325
HI 2377 LO 2324 ES 53 SD 22.2 AVG 2,345.4
26.7gr 112.5% 2,342fps
2384,2425,2403,2333,2381
HI 2425 LO 2333 ES 92 SD 34 AVG 2385.2
27.1gr 114.2% 2,377fps
2390,2362,2357,2434,2368
HI 2390 LO 2357 ES 33 SD 31.5 AVG 2,382.2
27.5gr 115.9% 2,413fps
2434,2422,2416,2415,2433,2458,2442,2425,2420,2434
HI 2458 LO 2415 ES 43 SD 13.2 AVG 2,430
2,033 ft. lbs!!!
*The numbers next to charge weights are from QL, with extensive testing and tuning I'm starting to see actual velocities closer to what it predicts.. The supposed predicted pressure is still ridiculous, something like 105,000psi on the max..
*This is from 16.2" barrels! I'm currently working on making about 3k new brass.. as many of my original 1,600 pieces have been lost or shot and reloaded 4 or more times now.. So yeah there were some popped out primers due to the pockets being loose already.. But nothing crazy like pierced primers or case head separations.
Everyone over on the TexasHuntingForum is now making HAM'R bolt guns, out of
Ruger Ranch Rifles! So I ordered a custom throated 24" 1:11"T McGowen barrel that I'm going to send out to cryo treatment.. It is being built on a Remington 783 in .243 WIN, Armslist Waukesha, WI $340 in hand. A new .223 bolt head and go gauge is all I needed, same sort of barrel nut system as a Savage. It'll be in a Oryx chassis with polymer lined metal mags that allow seating out to 2.5" I'm hoping to hit almost 2,600 with a Speer 165gr BTSP @ 2.463" Claimed .52 G1 BC if remotely true it'll ring steel @ 1,000yd. Yep, I'm still pontificating..I say give CFE BLK a try, you won't be disappointed! Supers or Subs. If you use QuickLoad, (or anyone reading this) DON'T believe the pressure numbers or even the velocities it spits out for it.. QuickLoad can't calculate all that magic!
If you decided to get some. I'd say get a general idea of how much you intend to use and try to buy the same lot.. If you just want a taste before getting more, you can always blend the lots. Happy and Safe BLK Magic Loading.
