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do all police LIE ?

do all police LIE ?

  • YES

    Votes: 90 67.2%
  • NO

    Votes: 44 32.8%

  • Total voters
    134
Sir, when an officer commits a crime or performs some other illegal or immoral act or violates his oath no one wants that bad apple removed more than those of us who have worked long and honorably at our profession. I have personally testified against officers who violated their oath of office and the law. Oops, guess that makes me a "tattletale". And you said it best when you said "ex-officers" and "in jail". How about the dishonest, criminal mechanic or plumber or electrician, professional football player,etc.? When they serve their time they can return to their profession. Thankfully when a police officer commits a criminal act and is tried and convicted we do not have to worry that he will ever be a police officer again. The higher standard applies and I am thankful for it.

And by the way the only "them" I am against are those who are violating the law.

Lastly, for those who would quote the old theme of "To Protect and Serve", I recommend that you research that statement a little further because it means to serve and protect the laws of society not any one individual. How can I "Protect and Serve" you if I am arresting you and putting you in jail?

It is very easy to shine the holier than tho light on yourself, especially on a internet forum. So please pee on somebodyelse's back, and tell them it's raining. It never ceases to amaze me the lenghts LEO's go to put them selves on a pedestal. What do you want a HERO cookie for a job you applied for? Gimme a break.
 
It is very easy to shine the holier than tho light on yourself, especially on a internet forum. So please pee on somebodyelse's back, and tell them it's raining. It never ceases to amaze me the lenghts LEO's go to put them selves on a pedestal. What do you want a HERO cookie for a job you applied for? Gimme a break.

He said he wants the same as the other posters here, how is that Holier Than Thou?
 
I am one of those guys who has experienced a LEO telling a blatant lie and I paid a small price for it when I was much younger - but only after exposing it in court. It wasn't a serious offense, and I have no criminal record. But as a kid who used to idolize cops, I learned a hard lesson that day.

I've known LEOs who would never tell a lie, not even a little white lie in an interrogation. They were the most trustworthy guys you could want to know (still good friends with one of them to this day after 20+ years). It's one of these guys that told me that while 90% of the police officers out there are generally good people, it's the 10% of the force that gives police a bad rep. And unless you personally know the officer you are dealing with, you've got to assume they fall within that 10%. Nobody is searching my car without a warrant.
 
we have a lady police officer in our sunday school class and today she said one of the tricks they do to people is after they are done looking up someones license they will say ok have a good day and start to walk away then say to the person can i search your car for child porn we have found a lot of it in this area and i just need to check and make sure you don,t have any, is it ok for me to search your car for it? then she said most people don,t think nothing of it and say yes, then they search and find a pound of pot or something and make a bust. she said it was one of the tricks they do. i thought trick my foot that is a bald face LIE, i was shocked to hear this from someone that is suppose to know that lying is a sin.

It is a BOLD face lie! When your son or daughter has just been raped, and I have to go into the interview room and say I understand how some of the young girls today dress so scantily that they're provoking it, yes I'm lying. Did I just get the a-hole to confess, and am now your best friend. Sure, but I lied. Did I just tell the guy who robbed your elderly father at gunpoint, that I understand what it means to not have what others have, and to use a gun to get what you want. Sure, but I LIED. Those are all fine because you knew or were the victim. When you're on the other side of that chair, OH MY GOODNESS.....THE COPS LIED!
 
It is very easy to shine the holier than tho light on yourself, especially on a internet forum. So please pee on somebodyelse's back, and tell them it's raining. It never ceases to amaze me the lenghts LEO's go to put them selves on a pedestal. What do you want a HERO cookie for a job you applied for? Gimme a break.

I'm a cop. I'm not gonna patronize you like the other LEO's on here. Please, by all means, break a traffic law.
 
He said he wants the same as the other posters here, how is that Holier Than Thou?[/QUOTE

"I have personally testified against officers who violated their oath of office and the law. Oops, guess that makes me a "tattletale". And you said it best when you said "ex-officers" and "in jail".

I guess I took that a little diffrently than you did.

Look, I have had more than one bad "experince" with the boys in blue in a personal setting. I recieved personal threats form more than one officer because I was dating the EX wife of one of the officers. It was enough for me to tap into my link to the good ol boy system to have it resolved. The many officers involved lied to their commanding officers. Fourtunly for me my good Ol boys connection, was deeper than his blue code.

Needless to say that bushel of bad apples spoiled my view of how trustworthy the fellows in blue really are.
 
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No, I don't think all LEO's lie. I believe that most will perform their duties in accordance with their personal ethics and standards, notwithstanding the depths to which those have sunk generally in our country today.
An old idea comes into play, however, and is sometimes invoked to justify what would otherwise be considered a lapse in ethical behavior:
That is "The ends justify the means".
if you believe in true Justice, then you know that it is not accomplished with the use of shortcuts. You should also realize that Justice is not always accomplished when you follow the letter of the law. Regardless of what case law might propose, enforcement actions that succeed on the basis of lies, coercement, intImidation,duress, etc do not accomplish Justice. I don't believe that LEO's swear their oath to uphold and enforce the law with the mindset that they will use any means possible.
Consider this quote:
"Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making Justice cost less and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The state, on the other hand, both by its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the state may provisionally grant him. It has always made Justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above Justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by doing so." Alfred J. Nock. 1935

Does anyone wonder why the cries of "we are becoming a Police State" ring out from time to time? This is not where we want to go. (if we truly value liberty)

So by my way of thinking, the framers of our Constitution and Bill of Rights intended to limit the power of government over the individual, and would never have considered it to be ethical for those entrusted with the enforcement of statutes to carry out their duties with trickery, deception, intimidation,etc. On the contrary, that is precisely the kind of State which the framers were trying to escape from.

Un-intended consequences arise out of good intentions.
 
No, I don't think all LEO's lie. I believe that most will perform their duties in accordance with their personal ethics and standards, notwithstanding the depths to which those have sunk generally in our country today.
An old idea comes into play, however, and is sometimes invoked to justify what would otherwise be considered a lapse in ethical behavior:
That is "The ends justify the means".
if you believe in true Justice, then you know that it is not accomplished with the use of shortcuts. You should also realize that Justice is not always accomplished when you follow the letter of the law. Regardless of what case law might propose, enforcement actions that succeed on the basis of lies, coercement, intImidation,duress, etc do not accomplish Justice. I don't believe that LEO's swear their oath to uphold and enforce the law with the mindset that they will use any means possible.
Consider this quote:
"Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making Justice cost less and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The state, on the other hand, both by its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the state may provisionally grant him. It has always made Justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above Justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by doing so." Alfred J. Nock. 1935

Does anyone wonder why the cries of "we are becoming a Police State" ring out from time to time? This is not where we want to go. (if we truly value liberty)

So by my way of thinking, the framers of our Constitution and Bill of Rights intended to limit the power of government over the individual, and would never have considered it to be ethical for those entrusted with the enforcement of statutes to carry out their duties with trickery, deception, intimidation,etc. On the contrary, that is precisely the kind of State which the framers were trying to escape from.

Un-intended consequences arise out of good intentions.

Well put... When we allow the little wrongs to continue, and allow our rights to be trampled, however small they seem to be. Keeping that snowball from rolling down hill and crushing all of our rights will be difficult task, they will be hard to get back, if we ever get them back.

It starts with the little things, that are in the name of "saftey".

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

As for breaking your beloved traffic laws, I learned how by watching the LEO's break them, in county cars as well as their personal ones.
 
Well, the lies and deceptions are now coming all the way from the top (Executive Branch) echelons of our government. And the Chief LEO is setting the example with his refusal to release documents related to F&F.

They also refUse to enforce laws they don't agree with. I.e immigration, defense of marriage, etc.

It gets my goat to see other counties and cities vehicles speeding through my county on their way to and from work, ignoring traffic control devices. Waste of resources too; make these officers drive their personal vehicles like all tHe other working stiffs.
 
You gotta love the mind set, "it's ok to trample my constitutional rights, just so long as it's for the war against drugs".

I guess to try to get an edge on a 40 year old war that has cost billions of $$ and is no further along than it was 40 years ago you would consort to whatever, except admit defeat.

What's the point in harassing and arresting people just to have this country's lame ass court system turn them loose?
When was the last time someone was convicted in the US court system for lying under oath? Oh I forgot, they trumped up some BS charges against Zimmerman to appease the mobs.

The main reason that the cops are crooked is so they will have a shot in the corrupt, lame ass court system.

I say a post earlier that stated sometimes the defense attorney will lie. All attorneys, prosecutors, judges, cops, and anyone else tied to the legal system lie whenever they get the opportunity, or I guess you could say "confuse the truth".

Lying has become a way of life in the good old USA.
A man's word is only as good as the lie he can tell.

Viva La Revolution
 
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