Do your part to educate and convert!

[GeauxLSU]

I personally know of several people that went from anti 2A to Pro 2A after I got them started shooting. A liberal will vote liberal unless something changes their mind. If I take a liberal shooting and they don't change their mind, nothing lost. If I don't take them shooting I lose the opportunity to change their mind.

"Pro 2A" means they VOTE for pro 2a candidates and fight for pro 2A legislation to get passed. Owning a gun does NOT make someone pro 2a. Are you telling me you've converted people's voting habits by taking them shooting?

 

[1911Tech]

"Pro 2A" means they VOTE for pro 2a candidates and fight for pro 2A legislation to get passed. Owning a gund does NOT make someone pro 2a. Are you telling me you've converted people's voting habits by taking them shooting?

This is one loaded question if I've ever seen one.

People can be pro-2A and not necessarily agree with the other view points of a pro-2A candidate. This is the primary problem with a two-party system. We've been forced into deciding between two polarizing stances on a wide range of issues, and many times neither of the two stances are adequate for the individual.

To be more direct and less abstract: I'm all for citizen's rights to arm and defend themselves....but i couldn't possibly give less of a $*** who they decide to marry. I like the practicality of conservative fiscal policy and 2A protections, but the "morality police" part of it is contradictory and backwards to me. In don't see how people can say they're against an over-reaching government yet they want that same government to enforce prescribed codes of conduct and lifestyle.

So to try to answer your question: People need to tackle each political issue independent of what the rest of their party's package may be. The best way to get people to open their eyes to this is to educate them on each matter. Like Bear, I also like to take my more liberal leaning friends and acquaintances shooting. It lets them see that guns are not the scary evil things that some politicians and the media have warned them about. It's unrealistic to try to convert a person over a single issue. The best one can hope for is that they can compromise/sympathize with one at a time.

 

[GeauxLSU]

This is one loaded question if I've ever seen one.

People can be pro-2A and not necessarily agree with the other view points of a pro-2A candidate. This is the primary problem with a two-party system. We've been forced into deciding between two polarizing stances on a wide range of issues, and many times neither of the two stances are adequate for the individual.

To be more direct and less abstract: I'm all for citizen's rights to arm and defend themselves....but i couldn't possibly give less of a $*** who they decide to marry. I like the practicality of conservative fiscal policy and 2A protections, but the "morality police" part of it is contradictory and backwards to me. In don't see how people can say they're against an over-reaching government yet they want that same government to enforce prescribed codes of conduct and lifestyle.

So to try to answer your question: People need to tackle each political issue independent of what the rest of their party's package may be. The best way to get people to open their eyes to this is to educate them on each matter. Like Bear, I also like to take my more liberal leaning friends and acquaintances shooting. It lets them see that guns are not the scary evil things that some politicians and the media have warned them about. It's unrealistic to try to convert a person over a single issue. The best one can hope for is that they can compromise/sympathize with one at a time.

You somehow missed my entire point. Just because someone becomes less "anti gun" does not, in anyway make them "pro 2a" unless they vote for pro 2A candidates.
Your social issues lamentations are completely irrelevant to the point at hand or of the thread.
If it makes you "feel good" to take liberals shooting AND THEY CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR ANIT 2A LEGISLATORS... well, OK, I guess. I find it naive. Look at the idiocy of most every gun regulation passed. Perhaps having liberals better educated so they can write more effective anti gun legislation is the answer?
If an adult can't understand the BASIC fundamental right to self protection and can't admit and agree to the CONSTITUTIONALLY protected right against a TYRANNICAL government, I honestly have zero use for spending play time with them at the range. They are beyond hope.

 

[1911Tech]

You somehow missed my entire point. Just because someone becomes less "anti gun" does not, in anyway make them "pro 2a" unless they vote for pro 2A candidates.
Your social issues lamentations are completely irrelevant to the point at hand or of the thread.
If it makes you "feel good" to take liberals shooting AND THEY CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR ANIT 2A LEGISLATORS... well, OK, I guess. I find it naive. Look at the idiocy of most every gun regulation passed. Perhaps having liberals better educated so they can write more effective anti gun legislation is the answer?
If an adult can't understand the BASIC fundamental right to self protection and can't admit and agree to the CONSTITUTIONALLY protected right against a TYRANNICAL government, I honestly have zero use for spending play time with them at the range. They are beyond hope.

I definitely understand your point; I just don't agree with it for the reasons I outlined. I find it very shortsighted. I'd rather live in an informed society as opposed to one divided over misconceptions.

But to make you "feel good", we actually do agree on the idiocy of gun laws. And those people that I take shooting also see the ineffectiveness and unconstitutionality behind them. It is absolutely absurd to regulate machines based on aesthetic features and emotions. If anything, they should be analyzed based on mechanical features. But I am a bit biased being a mechanical engineer

 

[GeauxLSU]

I definitely understand your point; I just don't agree with it for the reasons I outlined. I find it very shortsighted. I'd rather live in an informed society as opposed to one divided over misconceptions.

But to make you "feel good", we actually do agree on the idiocy of gun laws. And those people that I take shooting also see the ineffectiveness and unconstitutionality behind them. It is absolutely absurd to regulate machines based on aesthetic features and emotions. If anything, they should be analyzed based on mechanical features. But I am a bit biased being a mechanical engineer

Let me give you another example, last organization I worked for was liberal, VERY liberal. It was a very educational (if often painful) 8 years. The topic of guns came up more than once. One of the most rabidly liberal women there actually was 'pro gun'. She owned a shotgun for HD (probably because it was Biden approved) and believed very strongly in her right to own a gun to defend herself (she had zero concern about a tyrannical government). She voted down ticket Democrat on every single election and thought Obama hung the moon. Didn't matter if "sensible gun laws" or total confiscation was the number one priority of the candidate she voted for, she was voting against the pro 2A candidate every single time. She was also clinically insane (as you might imagine, I mean literally, but she was 'trying' to get help for it). She operates a liberal blog and rants and raves about all things right thinking Americans know to be Constitutional. I suppose taking her shooting is somehow productive?
I get you guys want to be 'nice'. That's great. I'm a nice guy to. But I'm not about to spend my time pushing a rope... much less a rope that is trying it's damndest to wrap around my neck.

 

[karlvv30]

One thing I know is that consevatives are not going to outbreed liberals. If we dont inform and recruit new folks, then eventually we will be a huge minority. The more you open people up to the reality of 2a, the better it will be going forward.

 

[GeauxLSU]

One thing I know is that consevatives are not going to outbreed liberals. If we dont inform and recruit new folks, then eventually we will be a huge minority. The more you open people up to the reality of 2a, the better it will be going forward.

Again, I think people are equating recreational shooters (or those just less rabidly anti-gun) with being "pro-2A". WORLD of difference.

 

[karlvv30]

Again, I think people are equating recreational shooters (or those just less rabidly anti-gun) with being "pro-2A". WORLD of difference.

I agree, but if they never learn or are never shown the truth, then they will always be that way. People can change. Shouldn't we encorage that?

 

[GeauxLSU]

I agree, but if they never learn or are never shown the truth, then they will always be that way. People can change. Shouldn't we encorage that?

I'll just wait for the first time someone comes on here and says "I took a liberal shooting. Now he's going to vote for pro-2A."
I'm not going to hold my breathe.
THESE ARE ADULTS (presumably)... they've already made an informed decision, and honestly, if they've traditionally voted liberal, I don't believe their mental state is such that I want to be around them while they are holding a loaded weapon.

 

[sheep dog]

As such a strong proponent of the second amendment who did you vote for president last month? 2012?