Dam ya'll sound smartI'll see to it you shan't be bothered yourself good sir. I offer my most sincere apologies as well and bid you farewell
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Just don`t drink and drive. I love the whiners. I listened to a friend of mine recently blaming the cops for all her speeding tickets. I mean, lots of tickets.
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Your plan sounds too complicated and nuanced.
It would be nice if simply not drinking and driving was enough to avoid be investigated for drinking and driving. But it's not. Which is kinda of the point of these discussions.
You guys sound like the pro gun registration crowd. "Just don't break the law with your guns, registration would only take a few minutes and long as you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about"
You guys sound like the pro gun registration crowd. "Just don't break the law with your guns, registration would only take a few minutes and long as you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about"
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Let's see, the 2A is there to guard against government tyranny. The government wants to require registration so they can keep an eye on who potentially may be able to defend against their tyranny.
Yep, same thing as driving drunk.
Exactly... and my friends case of sleeping 500 feet off the roadway because he thought that was the "right thing to do" as opposed to driving the mile to his house is a perfect example. Woken up by LE two hours later asked to do these tests, refused and now has to pay out thousands of dollars for "sleeping" under the influence (to defend himself). Not driving a damn thing.
35 years ago we would have used common sense ... now liability fears and revenue flow (and yes quotas) have taken away all common sense and officer discretion in the manner in which some of these cases are dealt at the point of initial contact.
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You friend's situation as described is flat out wrong and presumably everyone concurs.
I watched an episode of North Woods Law the other day and a drunk almost crashed his ATV in front of some wardens. He got ticketed and arrested for DUI (or there version of it). Now the kicker is it was on HIS private property but there was a road that he was driving on. I don't think the road was publicly maintained. Assuming that is accurste, who cares. Let the idiot kill or cripple himself. Doing stupid things to YOURSELF and putting no one else at risk while drunk, should never be illegal.
Violating the obviously true intent of the 4th Amendment is a form of tyranny. I don't think anyone in this thread is condoning drunk driving or the fact that police should go after impaired drivers. We all a agree on that.
Have RS/PC to make your stops and get a court order or warrant to get your evidence as opposed to forcing people to incriminate themselves in order to retain their drivers license. All for it. Lock em up.
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Of course a VIOLATION of the 4th can be a form of tyranny. We differ on what is a violation. To equate gun registration with breathalizers is absurd.
Random roadblocks are every bit if not more a violation of the 4th than gun registration is a violation of the 2nd. You keep bringing the emotional aspect of drunk driving into this conversation. How is a sober person not wanting to blow into a device based on a random stop any different than a law abiding citizen not wanting to get a carry permit or register his weapon?
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