Kel-Tec is one of my favorites my only gripe is every time I get one my wife has to have the same thing, love the PMR30s CMR30s and SU16s have owned several P11s 32s and 380s really interested in the P17 and CP33, I even had the 40sw version of the P11 they are extremely hard to find now, I have only owned one Kel-Tec I didn't care for it was back pack version of the RDB the grip angle was terrible and not designed for a fat guy like me burnt holes in a couple of shirts shooting it.