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Here we go: 9mm vs. .45 ACP
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Yes but what if you hit something in the eye with the toyota... then there is no need for the mack
This is one of those timeless topics like, "Why are we here?" or "Is there life after death?"
well for me , i like the fact that i just need one shot of my 44 special to stop someone vs 2or3 rounds of a 9mm, so therefore i would take the 45 ANYDAY over a 9 mm...BIGGER IS ALLWAYS BETTER..
Yes but what if you hit something in the eye with the toyota... then there is no need for the mack
Who says you can't hit something in the eye with a Mack... There just won't be anything left, lol.
you are joking right?
THE STOPPING POWER OF DIFFERENT HANDGUN CARTRIDGES
2/22/2003
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:34:22 PM by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
General Julian Hatcher, a noted forensic pathologist, in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge. His formula has withstood the test of time and validation from other studies and data related to stopping power.
You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.
Handgun Cartridge Type ..................... Hatcher Rating
.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1
.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7
.44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3
*.44 Magnum lead wad cutter 240 grain ......... 136.8
.44 Special full metal jacket 240 grain ...... 51.6
*.44 Special lead wad cutter 240 grain ............. 76.5
.41 Magnum full metal jacket 230 grain ............. 54
*.41 Magnum lead wad cutter 230 grain .............. 80
10 millimeter full metal jacket 180 grain .......... 50.3
10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain ..62.1
.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4
.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4
.38 Special full metal jacket 158 grain ...... 26.7
*.38 Special lead wad cutter 158 grain ............. 39.7
**.357 Magnum full metal jacket 158 grain ..... 32.7
**.357 Magnum lead wad cutter 158 grain ............ 48.5
.357 SIG full metal jacket 147 grain ................ 36.6
.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain ..... 45.2
9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain ............ 32.3
9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain ... 39.9
.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain ..... 18.3
.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain ...... 11.1
.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain ...... 3.7
.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain ... 4.2
* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.
* .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.
2/22/2003
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:34:22 PM by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
General Julian Hatcher, a noted forensic pathologist, in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge. His formula has withstood the test of time and validation from other studies and data related to stopping power.
You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.
Handgun Cartridge Type ..................... Hatcher Rating
.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1
.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7
.44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3
*.44 Magnum lead wad cutter 240 grain ......... 136.8
.44 Special full metal jacket 240 grain ...... 51.6
*.44 Special lead wad cutter 240 grain ............. 76.5
.41 Magnum full metal jacket 230 grain ............. 54
*.41 Magnum lead wad cutter 230 grain .............. 80
10 millimeter full metal jacket 180 grain .......... 50.3
10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain ..62.1
.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4
.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4
.38 Special full metal jacket 158 grain ...... 26.7
*.38 Special lead wad cutter 158 grain ............. 39.7
**.357 Magnum full metal jacket 158 grain ..... 32.7
**.357 Magnum lead wad cutter 158 grain ............ 48.5
.357 SIG full metal jacket 147 grain ................ 36.6
.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain ..... 45.2
9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain ............ 32.3
9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain ... 39.9
.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain ..... 18.3
.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain ...... 11.1
.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain ...... 3.7
.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain ... 4.2
* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.
* .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.
Very nice...thanks for that. And I TOLD you guys that 40 was the answer!
Beating a dead horse here, but I'll add my .02 cents. Just about every Leo that I have spoken with states that the average shoot out scenario is anywhere between 7 and 10 yards. Most of us are proficient with our handguns to QUICKLY empty a full magazine into a body sized target at 10 yards with decent grouping. With that being said, I have to make a point. Many people carry a 9mm for both capacity and cost reasons. I'm sorry, but it's like Several people have told me as a Kid, if I shoot 7, 8, or 9 230 grain hydra shoks, and the perp or perps are still coming, I deserve to get got. The purpose of carrying a gun for defensive purposes is to take someone out quickly and effectively. A 45 hardball practically does more damage than a 9mm hollow point, Youve got nearly twice the mass, and a much larger diameter. Even if there's two guys, double tap on both with a 45 would atleast get them to back the **** up. As far as carrying a 9mm, you have to use more rounds to do the same job. Granted caliber is no substitution for shot placement, but at the end of the day, a take down shot needs to be quick and effective. Think of deer hunting. Many ppl say you can kill deer all day long with a .223, many others say nothing smaller than a .30 cal. While a .223 may drop the occasional deer in it's tracks, lets face it, even blowing out the heart and both lungs they still have fight in them after getting hit with a 30/30, why would u wanna chance it by using a 56 grain 223 and miss the buck of a lifetime? Where am I going with this?? Well, simple. why take the chance of hitting someone with a smaller round that won't take them out as quickly and effectively. Remember, the less damage you do, the more fight the guy has and the more he can return the favor. I've read reports from emt on gunshot victims who were coherent, and many others that weren't, there's so many factors to think about that we could argue this all day long. But put simply, a 230 grain hollowpoint will do a much better and effective job and putting a hostile situation to an end than a 124 grain 38 cal round. U may not get a one shot kill with either, but if u find yourself in court, it may look a lot better on yourside with say 3 rounds of 45 than 9 or 10 9mms.. Excessive force could be used against u in that case.
And as far as the factor of "cost to practice with.." well lemme say this much. You don't carry a gun to target shoot, you carry a gun to protect yourself, which means you need the best possible tool and need to know how to use its full potential. If spending an extra 3 dollars to ensure that you can better protect you and little mary sue from a hyped up crackhead with nothing to lose and a gun in his hand, then stick to your 9mm.
And as far as the factor of "cost to practice with.." well lemme say this much. You don't carry a gun to target shoot, you carry a gun to protect yourself, which means you need the best possible tool and need to know how to use its full potential. If spending an extra 3 dollars to ensure that you can better protect you and little mary sue from a hyped up crackhead with nothing to lose and a gun in his hand, then stick to your 9mm.
