I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Hasselhoss]

If I was locked up, that would be the last book I'd want to read.

I would want 50 types of hand lotion.

 

[Laufen]

I would want 50 types of hand lotion.

And a blindfold.

 

[bearpugh]

i'm fine like it is. a felon relinquishs his rights by his actions. he has a choice. i have a cousin in this position. at 20 yrs of age decided to rape an 8 yr old girl. spent 10 yrs in prison. has to be registered. can't have a gun or vote etc. every aspect of his life is supervised. he met a woman and fell in love. wanted to marry. but was forced to leave her because she had a daughter. very sad to watch. but what he did was unforgivable. sad to see how a decision you make at 20 can destroy everything but he made that terrible choice.

 

[bc]

I keep starting a reply only to find that the liberals have hijacked so many of the phrases that I want to use. It makes my reply sound "different" than I meant for it to. So, please indulge me a little and read past the "new definition" of some of my reply.

I think that common sense must be used in regards to any and all rights. For instance, I feel that a person is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers because that sounds good and all. However, if the neighbor is arrested for aggravated child molestation and kidnapping, I will not allow my family anywhere near him simply because he hasn't faced a jury of his peers yet. Similarly, the judge in the case may allow him to bond out until his trial but will usually strip him of his 4th, 2nd and portions of the 1st. And while I know the previous scenario is unrelated to the 2A discussion it does show an instance when a person's rights can and should be taken away until such time as a judgement can be made.

Similarly, if an individual waves a gun around a shopping mall he has shown that he does not possess the mental capacity to exercise his right to bear arms and I have no problem stripping him of that right until such time as that mental capacity returns. That's the way the system works now in that a convicted felon can petition to have his 2A rights restored. A judge will look at his crimes and make a judgement based on the nature of said crime and the person's behavior since the conviction.

Not on the federal level, and very few are granted at the state level due to political pressure. Gun laws were sold to the public under the compromise a convicted felon could petition to have their 2A rights reinstated. That is how the law was passed, however, the government then prohibited the ATF to use any funds allotted to them from congress to process the petition. Once again, these laws were passed on one premise then circumvented once enacted. Furthermore, the government continues to add reasons for citizens to be arrested only so they can deny guns.

Using the far extreme to defend the least extreme does nothing to refute the fact that there is NOTHING "common sense" about gun control which has failed everywhere it has been tried. There is a huge difference between a tax evader felon and a homicide felon. Treating them the same is myopic to say the least and only serves to allow the government to further their anti-gun agenda.

 

[jjc]

If they have paid the debt they owe, then '"all" rights should be restored.

 

[bc]

i'm fine like it is. a felon relinquishs his rights by his actions. he has a choice. i have a cousin in this position. at 20 yrs of age decided to rape an 8 yr old girl. spent 10 yrs in prison. has to be registered. can't have a gun or vote etc. every aspect of his life is supervised. he met a woman and fell in love. wanted to marry. but was forced to leave her because she had a daughter. very sad to watch. but what he did was unforgivable. sad to see how a decision you make at 20 can destroy everything but he made that terrible choice.

Under current laws, denying prisoners cable TV, A/C, and a recreational yard is considered inhumane treatment, yet denying a non-violent offender the right to defend their home and family because they rolled back a few odometers or tore a tag off their pillow in their ill spent youth is some how justified? Are you in good conscience grouping Martha Stewart in with your cousin? Seriously?

If you want violent criminals to be prohibited, give them 20-30 years probation on top of a 20-30 year sentence. Prohibiting those under court supervision is not against the Constitution, prohibiting them after they are released and are free of the courts is unconstitutional.

 

[Ken Ford]

At that point you have paid your debt to society have you not? Should they be stripped of the right to illegal search and seizure as well....just in case they might be hiding something?

No you have not. A part of the sentence is that you loose certain rights. that IS part of "paying the price"

 

[bearpugh]

Under current laws, denying prisoners cable TV, A/C, and a recreational yard is considered inhumane treatment, yet denying a non-violent offender the right to defend their home and family because they rolled back a few odometers or tore a tag off their pillow in their ill spent youth is some how justified? Are you in good conscience grouping Martha Stewart in with your cousin? Seriously?

If you want violent criminals to be prohibited, give them 20-30 years probation on top of a 20-30 year sentence. Prohibiting those under court supervision is not against the Constitution, prohibiting them after they are released and are free of the courts is unconstitutional.

i'm saying if you choose to do something you know is a felony, then you made that choice.

 

[Gigabyte71]

@Ken - How many laws are there in Georgia that could make someone a felon, including federal felonies?

 

[Proximal]

I would want 50 types of hand lotion.

As long as it isn't scented. I can imagine some hard looking tatted up inmate asking "who smells like flowers? That **** is sexy."