No More Bump Stocks

[Unclesteve-o]

no they don't lol there are to many NFA holders for the ATF to go around and sit down for a cup of tea with all of em lol

That's why I said "according to". A direct quote from him. Don't want to call him a liar outright, but that is what he stated.

 

[Discollector]

Its a twisted world man, you wanna say F the government ill do what I want but at the same time uncle sam can swing that hammer and the snap of a finger and all BS aside happily sit your ass in a concrete block for 10 years to serve 4 lol. I feel what your saying though some ****ed **** we got going on here with our government and Trump. Its a shame cus I like Trump.

The problem is, if a guy had a bump stock and stood up to the feds, few if ANY, of the people you see posting on boards would come to their defense. If someone were to take on the system by getting in the fight over bump stocks, I would support him / her putting my life on the line to same degree they put their life on the line.

Every year we lose more of our Rights. We used to be the leader of the free world. Today, the ONLY thing that makes the United States a major player is the size of our military. In my lifetime they have banned the individual's Right to legally convert weapons to fully auto. Though I did not feel a need for fully auto, I put money and time into the guy's fight. The then BATF shut down one guy for selling parts to build a .50 caliber bolt action rifle with an unfinished tube for a receiver. I donated money to that cause. Congress has since passed the Assault Weapons Ban (though it expired), the Brady Bill and the Lautenberg Amendment; Executive Orders banning imports of weapons and parts are still in effect. If I were to name the bills over the last couple of decades you could see that the Second Amendment - along with the Bill of Rights has been turned around 180 degrees from what the founders intended.

A lot of people are getting ready for the big one, the ultimate SHTF scenario, the Apocalypse. Divided we stand zero chance of being able to retain our Rights. We've gone as far as the law allows without a Universal Background Check - which necessitates National Registration in order for that to be effective. Then comes outright confiscation, but politicians know better. That is why it is death on the installment plan. It's happening very rapidly. So, we can get on boards and talk about it or DO something. 56 men signed the Declaration of Independence and eleven years later they ratified the Constitution. They took on the most powerful government in the world at that time. IF you intend on keeping your Freedoms and Liberties intact, you have no less of a commitment. They pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What are YOU willing to pledge?

 

[Discollector]

Exactly my point. They endorsed him May 20th when the nomination was secured. I'm confident he was NOT their first choice at all. Would you have rathered the NRA endorse Hillary? Or no one?
They, like the voters, chose the lesser of 2 evils. So we wound up with evil. Imagine that.
Could the NRA be more non compromising? Absofreakingloutely! But I promise you NO organization will be tough enough for me. The fact we didn't wind up with a bunch of absurd anti 2A BS after Sandy Hook earned them a material amount of deference from me.
Bump stocks are on Trump. He insisted on it. He solely made it hapoen.
He's a NY anti gun liberal. I guess we should be thankful that's all he's done.... so far.

Honestly, I have mixed emotions. At least the Republicans pretend to fight gun control when we have a Democrat in the outhouse... I mean White House. It's had a really bad odor since the community organizer vacated the premises.

Would we finally fight back with Hitlery in office? Would Congress act to make sure her anti - gun agenda never saw the light of day?

Here is the real problem we have:

The average poster does not know how the game on Capitol is played. Sometimes you get people like Donald Trump that know how to play both sides of the fence (no pun intended.) For example, he KNOWS that he can't sit for two years and do nothing. And so, the fix is in. Ultimately Trump will sign a major anti-gun bill in exchange for his silly wall. It's the way it works every time. There will be the usual scripted "fight" like they do over at World Wrestling Entertainment (and Trump is well experienced with that.) In the end, Trump will sign more gun control that would not pass in a Republican Congress with a Democrat president. The gun owners will put their hands in their pockets and declare, "well he had to do it." Gun owners are at an impasse, we are two compromises away from confiscation.

I'm tired of the compromises; sick of voting for the lesser of two evils; frustrated that we cannot rally even a half a dozen men together to begin organizing a real resistance to the socialist sell out idea on the installment plan. We're mere months away from seeing major gun control and the PRETEXT will not end as most think it will. It's going to be a double knock-out punch that will transform America forever.

If you're not going to organize and fight back, then make a commitment to live like a slave. Sell off your guns and accept defeat. Better to get a few bucks for them today rather than give them to the government without just compensation for them.

 

[AC-130 Above]

Honestly, I have mixed emotions. At least the Republicans pretend to fight gun control when we have a Democrat in the outhouse... I mean White House. It's had a really bad odor since the community organizer vacated the premises.

Would we finally fight back with Hitlery in office? Would Congress act to make sure her anti - gun agenda never saw the light of day?

Here is the real problem we have:

The average poster does not know how the game on Capitol is played. Sometimes you get people like Donald Trump that know how to play both sides of the fence (no pun intended.) For example, he KNOWS that he can't sit for two years and do nothing. And so, the fix is in. Ultimately Trump will sign a major anti-gun bill in exchange for his silly wall. It's the way it works every time. There will be the usual scripted "fight" like they do over at World Wrestling Entertainment (and Trump is well experienced with that.) In the end, Trump will sign more gun control that would not pass in a Republican Congress with a Democrat president. The gun owners will put their hands in their pockets and declare, "well he had to do it." Gun owners are at an impasse, we are two compromises away from confiscation.

I'm tired of the compromises; sick of voting for the lesser of two evils; frustrated that we cannot rally even a half a dozen men together to begin organizing a real resistance to the socialist sell out idea on the installment plan. We're mere months away from seeing major gun control and the PRETEXT will not end as most think it will. It's going to be a double knock-out punch that will transform America forever.

If you're not going to organize and fight back, then make a commitment to live like a slave. Sell off your guns and accept defeat. Better to get a few bucks for them today rather than give them to the government without just compensation for them.

what guns? Mine were all stolen.....

 

[GeauxLSU]

Honestly, I have mixed emotions. At least the Republicans pretend to fight gun control when we have a Democrat in the outhouse... I mean White House. It's had a really bad odor since the community organizer vacated the premises.

Would we finally fight back with Hitlery in office? Would Congress act to make sure her anti - gun agenda never saw the light of day?

Here is the real problem we have:

The average poster does not know how the game on Capitol is played. Sometimes you get people like Donald Trump that know how to play both sides of the fence (no pun intended.) For example, he KNOWS that he can't sit for two years and do nothing. And so, the fix is in. Ultimately Trump will sign a major anti-gun bill in exchange for his silly wall. It's the way it works every time. There will be the usual scripted "fight" like they do over at World Wrestling Entertainment (and Trump is well experienced with that.) In the end, Trump will sign more gun control that would not pass in a Republican Congress with a Democrat president. The gun owners will put their hands in their pockets and declare, "well he had to do it." Gun owners are at an impasse, we are two compromises away from confiscation.

I'm tired of the compromises; sick of voting for the lesser of two evils; frustrated that we cannot rally even a half a dozen men together to begin organizing a real resistance to the socialist sell out idea on the installment plan. We're mere months away from seeing major gun control and the PRETEXT will not end as most think it will. It's going to be a double knock-out punch that will transform America forever.

If you're not going to organize and fight back, then make a commitment to live like a slave. Sell off your guns and accept defeat. Better to get a few bucks for them today rather than give them to the government without just compensation for them.

I agree with your assessment of the present and can't refute your predictions. Unfortunately.

 

[Discollector]

You also can't help but wonder how often the ATF actually pursues private citizens violating NFA rules.

I mean do the go out and try and track down someone who maybe at one point in their life put a 10.5 inch barreled upper on a rifled lower? Do you go to hell if you do that?

I have very limited experience with how the ATF picks and chooses who they go after.

With Wayne Hollis Fincher, he blatantly built his own machine guns and dared the ATF to go after him. Once in court, the Supreme Court changed the whole issue. Fincher was nailed on an Interstate Commerce violation, allowing the court not to answer the real questions.

Bob Stewart (his name IIRC) was convicted for selling all the parts for a .50 bmg bolt action weapon and an 80 percent receiver on ads he ran in the now defunct Shotgun News.

The ATF used to run ads for a drop in auto sear in Shotgun News. The fake company was TPF Enterprises (it meant To Prison Fast.) You order an auto sear; the ATF would show up and you got free rent at Club Fed for a few years.

Then one time, a guy here in Georgia was going to different vendors at a gun show in Marietta and bought parts for a belt fed weapon. He was arrested and, again IIRC, he got forty some months at the Club Fed Suites.

When you think about it, at first it seems stupid to endanger your life over a piece of plastic that does something you could duplicate with a heavy rubber band or, as I was told last week-end, your belt loop. Like the Boston Tea Party, this is not about the bump stock. It is the principle. We can stand up OR we can allow it to be one of us next time: some of you have those braces; maybe the parts for an AR "pistol," high capacity mags, flash suppressors, pistol grips, the bayonet lug on your M1, or that dreaded barrel shroud (I had to include that one.) So, who is going to be the next "criminal?" What's your plan beyond passive resistance?

 

[Discollector]

what guns? Mine were all stolen.....

Two problems:

You may have to hide or bury your weapon and IF you use it, you are instantly a criminal.

The government can lie to you. If you lie to them, that will be a separate charge if they catch you.

 

[41mag]

Bull Snot. Smaller organizations have been fighting the fight while the NRA sits on their collective posteriors worrying about raising money so that paid staff has a good salary, insurance and a pension.

In those cases where a difference could be made, the NRA is most conspicuous by their silence. And, while we're at it, the NRA endorsed the bump stock ban. What in the name of good common sense for?

1) Bump stocks had previously been approved for sale with the ATF making the determination that mechanically they did NOT violate the NFA. Now they do???

2) AFTER those who bought bump stocks spent their money, the government says give it up or destroy it. You think that is a good precedent?

3) In the case of Home v. Department of Agriculture, the United States Supreme Court ruled and Wikipedia puts it this way:

"Writing for a majority of the Court, Chief Justice John Roberts held that the Fifth Amendment requires the government and its agencies to pay just compensation when they take personal property from citizens."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horne_v._Department_of_Agriculture

So, let me see here:

* The BATFE approves a product for sale

* A number of Americans purchase this product legally and in good faith

* The NRA endorses this unconstitutional act and gun owners are trying to defend it?????

4) Donald Trump wrote "I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun" in his book The America We Deserve (published in 2000.) The NRA knew and endorsed that two faced clown

5) A couple of weeks ago I was able to contact the legislative department of the NRA. I wondered why the NRA always caves and why they never go on the offensive. When asked for specifics, I talked about SSRIs and their relevance to mass shootings. It was the first time they had ever heard of the correlation.

Adding insult to injury, I tell their rep that if we introduced legislation to require people be subject to going to group therapy and one on one therapy before qualifying to get SSRIs and then be given those drugs under supervised conditions, the half wit says, "the Democrats will never go for that." REALLY???

The Art of the Deal would suggest that every time the Democrats put gun control on the table, you put the SSRI legislation on the table and say, "we can work out a deal." They will pass and the gun control legislation goes away. Just in case you don't know: EVERY mass shooting is done by two classes of shooters:

* Political jihadists

* People who have RECENTLY been under the care of a psychiatrist or psychologist and almost to a man a user of SSRIs.

Everything I'm saying is news to the NRA. Other organizations do the work and, like a blister, the NRA shows up after the fact to claim victory. The NRA is incompetent, irrelevant, and borderline treasonous. EVERY NRA endorsed president in my life-time (having voted since Reagan first ran) has turned on gun owners. If that's the best we can do, we should surrender our weapons or simply rally behind the GOA and their lawsuit, proclaiming to Trump and the congresscritters along with BATFE - NOT ONE MORE INCH.

Everything you are saying may be true to an extent... the only point i am trying to make is when Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Pelosi, Brady, any of the biggest loudest mouthed gun grabbers in the nation, heck when ANY OF THEM get a spot on CNN or any news channel, paper, or internet tweet board.....they all say the same damed things.....that usually is something along the line of THE NRA IS THE EVIL ONE, The NRA cant run and hide from this bill....the NRA is the group they are gonna hammer to the anvil (schummer quote) .... you never, NEVER hear them talking about any other pro gun group.

 

[41mag]

The anti gunners have us on the run and they know it. Unfortunately, when the NRA folds, we will lose....that is because the anti gunners do not fear any other group.
I am understanding your statements that NRA is not what they once were, i am in total agreement with you there. I still support their name, i wish the name could be siphoned off and another group take it over.
I just do not believe that another group, another name is gonna start taking over, nationally, and worldly, like the NRA is known. They are the name everyone knows worldwide. Period.

I still stand on my original words, when the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION folds, we are pretty much done.

My opinion

 

[Don231s]

When the NRA folds, we will lose....that is because the anti gunners do not fear any other group.

This, so much this.