Exactly what I said when I heard the same thing reported on CNN yesterday. That is probably one of the few things that I partially agree with Trump on. Why advertise your strengths, weaknesses and intentions?
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Exactly what I said when I heard the same thing reported on CNN yesterday. That is probably one of the few things that I partially agree with Trump on. Why advertise your strengths, weaknesses and intentions?
DOES D.P.R.K. have a "right" to arms of its own choosing?
North Korea is, like it or not, a sovereign nation, created with the aid of the Soviet Union in 1948 and admitted to the United Nations in 1991. As a bona-fide nation of the world, it has the natural right to own weapons and maintain a military force. Similarly, people in the United States have a natural right to own weapons. That right is protected by the Second Amendment, but the right is a natural one that existed long before the constitution was written. The right to use force in defense of one’s self, family, or property naturally includes the right to own and keep effective tools or weapons for those purposes.
However, it is clearly established that not all weapons are covered by the Second Amendment (our Supreme Court has said so as to machine guns and sawed-off shotguns, for example), and I am of the opinion that not all weapons of mass destruction, such as nuclear ICBM’s, are included as part of the package of rights that each and every nation of the world has.
And even if ordinary people, like ordinary nations of the world in good standing as citizens of the international community, have the right to keep and bear extraordinarily-deadly weapons (for nation-states, that would be nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons), this right might not apply to habitually criminal, rogue, or insane nations whose possession of very deadly weapons is an unacceptable risk to the safety of other nations around the world.
North Korea’s first dictator was a man whose only claim to fame was being a good guerilla fighter against the Japanese forces in China and Korea the 1930s. WWII. Once placed in power by the Soviets following WWII, his focus was on war and preparation for war as a top priority, even when the world was at peace. With Stalin’s blessing he invaded South Korea in 1950 in a failed attempt to destroy their government, enslave their people, and take over their land. The North has engaged in numerous warlike provocations since then. North Korea attacked and captured a U.S. Navy ship, the U.S.S. Pueblo, in 1968, while around the same time sending teams of commandos and assassins to kill the South Korean president in his palace. The rogue nation shot down one of our Navy’s unarmed EC-121 reconnaissance planes over international waters in 1969, killing 31 sailors and marines. North Korean warships left their territorial waters and attacked South Korean fishing vessels and military ships dozens of times from the 1960s to present, sinking at least three of them. In 1976, the North’s army attacked U.S. soldiers who were clearing trees in “no man’s land”, killing two Army officers. These are just the worst unprovoked attacks, not counting multiple skirmishes involving combat patrols by both sides in “no man’s land” and the shooting down of two U.S. Army helicopters that strayed over the border line into North Korean airspace.
North Korea’s past actions, present actions, and anti-American war propaganda show that it is unfit to be afforded the rights to own certain types of weapons of mass destruction that other nations can be trusted with. This fits with how we treat our own people in the USA; certain persons with criminal records or mental illness cannot own firearms at all, and for us to own exotic extra-dangerous weapons, the government requires additional paperwork and an extra-thorough background check.
North Korea shows its contempt for international law in other ways. They are, or were from the 1980s to the early 2000s, large-scale producers of counterfeit currency, selling these fake bills to organized criminals and using the money to finance their nuclear program. Forged $100 bills were widely circulated and had the effect of devaluing our money worldwide. North Korea also uses its state-owned factories to produce illegal narcotics, which are also sold to drug syndicates around the world.
Would such a scofflaw with a known history for violence in your community be allowed to build a cannon in his front yard, after years of harassing, threatening, and attacking neighbors with smaller weapons? Imagine this neighbor has, in the past, shot and killed neighborhood cats (pets) both on his property and in the public street. Suppose that many times in the past he snuck into his neighbor’s home and had to be driven-off at the point of a shotgun. Suppose this nutty neighbor were on parole for attempted murder for having used a deer rifle to shoot up other neighbors’ houses and even their cars as they drove down the street. How would the Sheriff react to this lunatic creating an artillery cannon-- a weapon much bigger gun than any he’s owned before? Would your local Sheriff merely stand by and watch as he welds the barrel and chassis together, and fills the shells, each the size of a 2-liter soda bottle, with explosives and shrapnel? Is there any doubt that the authorities would assemble the SWAT team and take this man out, storming in with guns blazing to either arrest him, or, more likely, kill him on sight? Of course that’s how we’d handle a heavily-armed madman in our community.
That’s also how the nations of the world (not just the USA) should deal with the Hermit Kingdom. The leadership of the North is an imminent threat to the safety of the USA, our allies, and all of western civilization. We don’t have to wait for him to fire his cannon at us. We don’t have to sit back and watch him sell his portable nuclear bombs to terrorist groups, knowing that they will use it as soon as possible. We can kill him and destroy any and all factories or laboratories he uses to produce nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.
North Korea is, like it or not, a sovereign nation, created with the aid of the Soviet Union in 1948 and admitted to the United Nations in 1991. As a bona-fide nation of the world, it has the natural right to own weapons and maintain a military force. Similarly, people in the United States have a natural right to own weapons. That right is protected by the Second Amendment, but the right is a natural one that existed long before the constitution was written. The right to use force in defense of one’s self, family, or property naturally includes the right to own and keep effective tools or weapons for those purposes.
However, it is clearly established that not all weapons are covered by the Second Amendment (our Supreme Court has said so as to machine guns and sawed-off shotguns, for example), and I am of the opinion that not all weapons of mass destruction, such as nuclear ICBM’s, are included as part of the package of rights that each and every nation of the world has.
And even if ordinary people, like ordinary nations of the world in good standing as citizens of the international community, have the right to keep and bear extraordinarily-deadly weapons (for nation-states, that would be nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons), this right might not apply to habitually criminal, rogue, or insane nations whose possession of very deadly weapons is an unacceptable risk to the safety of other nations around the world.
North Korea’s first dictator was a man whose only claim to fame was being a good guerilla fighter against the Japanese forces in China and Korea the 1930s. WWII. Once placed in power by the Soviets following WWII, his focus was on war and preparation for war as a top priority, even when the world was at peace. With Stalin’s blessing he invaded South Korea in 1950 in a failed attempt to destroy their government, enslave their people, and take over their land. The North has engaged in numerous warlike provocations since then. North Korea attacked and captured a U.S. Navy ship, the U.S.S. Pueblo, in 1968, while around the same time sending teams of commandos and assassins to kill the South Korean president in his palace. The rogue nation shot down one of our Navy’s unarmed EC-121 reconnaissance planes over international waters in 1969, killing 31 sailors and marines. North Korean warships left their territorial waters and attacked South Korean fishing vessels and military ships dozens of times from the 1960s to present, sinking at least three of them. In 1976, the North’s army attacked U.S. soldiers who were clearing trees in “no man’s land”, killing two Army officers. These are just the worst unprovoked attacks, not counting multiple skirmishes involving combat patrols by both sides in “no man’s land” and the shooting down of two U.S. Army helicopters that strayed over the border line into North Korean airspace.
North Korea’s past actions, present actions, and anti-American war propaganda show that it is unfit to be afforded the rights to own certain types of weapons of mass destruction that other nations can be trusted with. This fits with how we treat our own people in the USA; certain persons with criminal records or mental illness cannot own firearms at all, and for us to own exotic extra-dangerous weapons, the government requires additional paperwork and an extra-thorough background check.
North Korea shows its contempt for international law in other ways. They are, or were from the 1980s to the early 2000s, large-scale producers of counterfeit currency, selling these fake bills to organized criminals and using the money to finance their nuclear program. Forged $100 bills were widely circulated and had the effect of devaluing our money worldwide. North Korea also uses its state-owned factories to produce illegal narcotics, which are also sold to drug syndicates around the world.
Would such a scofflaw with a known history for violence in your community be allowed to build a cannon in his front yard, after years of harassing, threatening, and attacking neighbors with smaller weapons? Imagine this neighbor has, in the past, shot and killed neighborhood cats (pets) both on his property and in the public street. Suppose that many times in the past he snuck into his neighbor’s home and had to be driven-off at the point of a shotgun. Suppose this nutty neighbor were on parole for attempted murder for having used a deer rifle to shoot up other neighbors’ houses and even their cars as they drove down the street. How would the Sheriff react to this lunatic creating an artillery cannon-- a weapon much bigger gun than any he’s owned before? Would your local Sheriff merely stand by and watch as he welds the barrel and chassis together, and fills the shells, each the size of a 2-liter soda bottle, with explosives and shrapnel? Is there any doubt that the authorities would assemble the SWAT team and take this man out, storming in with guns blazing to either arrest him, or, more likely, kill him on sight? Of course that’s how we’d handle a heavily-armed madman in our community.
That’s also how the nations of the world (not just the USA) should deal with the Hermit Kingdom. The leadership of the North is an imminent threat to the safety of the USA, our allies, and all of western civilization. We don’t have to wait for him to fire his cannon at us. We don’t have to sit back and watch him sell his portable nuclear bombs to terrorist groups, knowing that they will use it as soon as possible. We can kill him and destroy any and all factories or laboratories he uses to produce nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.
The Norks' citizens have been brainwashed for 2 generations to revere the Kim family as gods, and to distrust ANY outside nation. Even their Marxist allies like the Soviets and Chi-Coms. Both China and the USSR tried to tell North Korea to cut back on the cult of personality around their new royal family, and to return to the kind of communism that was supposed to benefit the little people, not just the privileged few. The Nork dictator replied with basically "Eff you and the Horse you Rode in on" and executed any of his own people who repeated such criticism.
I don't think the Chinese WANT to try to rule North Korea. The Norks' people wouldn't go along with it.
Unless it were presented to them in a way that disguised what was really happening, like this:
Step 1: The USA use missiles and stealth aircraft to attack the DPRK's leadership (killing Un) and some of their nuclear and missile plants.
Step 2: The USA threatens to put boots on the ground and do door-to-door searches for nuclear material, ICBM components, along with biological and chemical weapons stockpiles.
Step 3: The USA and South Korea actually mobilize hundreds of thousands of ground troops in preparation for a land invasion of the North.
Step 4: China announces that per its 1979 defense pact with DPRK, it is ready and willing to step in and handle any ground war for the North, going toe-to-toe with the USA.
Step 5: USA says we won't fight Chinese directly, but will only attack North Korea in areas that are NOT occupied by Chinese.
Step 6: China gets N. Korea to agree to widespread occupation of their land by the People's Liberation Army, to prevent the U.S. from any further attacks and before we can put troops on the ground.
Step 7; China seizes control of all Nuke, Bio, and Chem weapons, and says they will only be used when CHINA says it's time to use them. Because China is now responsible for North Korea's defense and military operations with regard to those types of weapons that affect the entire Pacific Rim.
Step 8: The USA backs down. China has successfully saved North Korea and prevented a ground war, and ended the air attacks too.
Step 9: North Koreans are invited to select a new leader from among their own people, their generals, their lesser politicians, etc. The people are told that this is not a regime change, and that the "revolutionary principles" of juche and self-reliance and their own Korean species of Marxism-Leninism will still be key components of the next generation of leaders.
HOW IT ENDS: We still have a divided Korean peninsula, and the North will still hate the South, but China will be both a military and economic partner with the North and will keep them in line. One thing the North will not be able to do is kick out the Chinese. In all other aspects, the Norks will stay independent and a sovereign nation.
