NRA sells out gun owners

[Rolling_trip]

How are they selling out? What I see is a strategy, the left is calling "ban ban ban" on everything from semi auto weapons, slidefire stocks, magazines etc. the nra sees slidefire stocks as something that is just a mere novelty. That's all it is nothing more and nothing less, it's a good middle ground in my opinion, something that your everyday gun owner more than likely had no interest in having until they found out they might get banned. Would you rather lose your stupid stock that makes you do mag dumps a little faster or all your rifles that are sitting in the safe? Big decisions are like chess Sometimes it's worth losing a pawn to save the king.

And pushing it to the BATFE for "review" keeps Congress from voting on a ban, and what ever else they can sneak into it. At the end of the day, one trigger movement equals one cartridge fired. The binary triggers should have more to worry about than the stupid bumpfires.

 

[dakota port]

The NRA needs to learn what s&w learned when they first put the external lock on revolver to appease the clinton administration. The NRA is important but they need a good talking too by their members sometimes when they mess up

if the NRA did not want to stop/prevent the banning of something then just keep out of the issue completely

 

[sambo77]

It's selling out because they're encouraging the narrative of blaming inanimate objects for the deeds of a mad man. Plus it just looks completely hypocritical when we don't want to ban anything when a Muslim kills 49 people with his AR and 30rnd mags but all the sudden 9 more people are killed and that's where we draw the line and want to ban things.

is it selling out or meeting in a middle ground and saying ya know what you can have it but we are keep our guns and magazines. I agree it's not an object's fault it's a human's mental stability fault.

And pushing it to the BATFE for "review" keeps Congress from voting on a ban, and what ever else they can sneak into it. At the end of the day, one trigger movement equals one cartridge fired. The binary triggers should have more to worry about than the stupid bumpfires.

that is very true.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

Fat Albert, the difference is that in order to use "gun control" to address most mass shootings, you'd have to have a very restrictive law that makes it hard to have a "normal" defensive rifle. Most mass shootings use ordinary, common semi-auto guns and standard capacity mags (15-ish rounds for handguns, 30 for rifles).

BUT LAS VEGAS was different. Bump fire stocks are NOT normal, or common.
They're not useful for self-defense or 2A militia purposes.
They're just a novelty, for fun, in the hands of good citizens.
And they're ultra-deadly weapons of mass destruction in the hands of crazies and criminals.

THEREFORE, in this particular case "gun control" can address the Vegas shooting (extra high casualties due to bump fire stocks) WITHOUT really impacting your "gun rights" and your ability to choose a highly suitable and effective weapon for home defense.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

The NRA is supposed to be a mainstream organization of gun owners.
If that's true, then the NRA should recognize, as do virtually all people and even a super-majority of gun owners, that machineguns are not like regular guns and should not be sold under the same easygoing gun laws as sporting guns or even ordinary defensive firearms like most handguns or semi-auto carbines.

If the NRA can (and did, and always has) supported extra-tight restrictions on full autos and select fire guns, what's so wrong about them agreeing that devices that make semis function and lay down a barrage of gunfire just like full autos should be restricted like full autos?

If you beoytch about the NRA's position on bump fire stocks, are you saying that you want the NFA repealed and anybody can buy a machinegun the same way they buy a pump action Remington shotgun, or a Ruger 10/22?
Including buying a full auto conversion kit anonymously, online or mail-order, for for cash at a gun store, no questions asked?

If you seriously think the Second Amendment means "anybody can have any weapon they want and carry it anywhere, anonymously and no questions asked, no paperwork" THEN GO AHEAD AND QUIT THE N.R.A.
It wasn't meant for people like you anyway. That's not why the NRA was formed or what their core function is.

Feel free to start your own "any weapon I want and Eff You if you don't like it" group.
Really. Go for it.
But my NRA, the group I've been a member of for 40 years, and my father for 30 years before I was born, is NOT that group.

If the NRA doesn't believe that the average American citizen should be able to own the standard issue rifle of the states Military than they need to quit posing as second amendment supporters.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

is it selling out or meeting in a middle ground and saying ya know what you can have it but we are keep our guns and magazines. I agree it's not an object's fault it's a human's mental stability fault.

I didn't hold my nose to vote down the Ballot for Republicans last year to turn around and negotiate with gun grabber's when they have the largest majority in Washington in my life time.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

since when does the military issue slidefire stocks?

Right over your head.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

Gun laws are somewhat like drug laws.
Drugs are classified, under both Federal law and state law, into various "schedules."
A schedule is a group of drugs that have a similar score on the risk/ utility calculation.
What is the potential for bad, and what is the potential for good?
Schedule I drugs have the most risk of bad use and harmful consequences, and the least possible benefit even if dosed properly under a doctor's supervision.
Schedule IV drugs are controlled substances that have a lot of good uses and benefits, but their potential hazards still require that they be prescription-only and with criminal penalties for selling them on the street.

When it comes to guns, Machineguns and bump fire stocks are more like Schedule I or II.
Regular AR and AK carbines, semi-autos, are more like Schedule III.
Current federal law views sporting shotguns and bolt action rifles as similar to Schedule IV, but I say those guns should be non-prescription. Purely sporting weapons with virtually no likelihood to be used by criminals should be unregulated, just like knives and axes, bats, and 5-gallon cans of gasoline are basically unregulated at the retail or post-purchase level.

 

[araomd]

The NRA is supposed to be a mainstream organization of gun owners.
If that's true, then the NRA should recognize, as do virtually all people and even a super-majority of gun owners, that machineguns are not like regular guns and should not be sold under the same easygoing gun laws as sporting guns or even ordinary defensive firearms like most handguns or semi-auto carbines.

If the NRA can (and did, and always has) supported extra-tight restrictions on full autos and select fire guns, what's so wrong about them agreeing that devices that make semis function and lay down a barrage of gunfire just like full autos should be restricted like full autos?

If you beoytch about the NRA's position on bump fire stocks, are you saying that you want the NFA repealed and anybody can buy a machinegun the same way they buy a pump action Remington shotgun, or a Ruger 10/22?
Including buying a full auto conversion kit anonymously, online or mail-order, for for cash at a gun store, no questions asked?

If you seriously think the Second Amendment means "anybody can have any weapon they want and carry it anywhere, anonymously and no questions asked, no paperwork" THEN GO AHEAD AND QUIT THE N.R.A.
It wasn't meant for people like you anyway. That's not why the NRA was formed or what their core function is.

Feel free to start your own "any weapon I want and Eff You if you don't like it" group.
Really. Go for it.
But my NRA, the group I've been a member of for 40 years, and my father for 30 years before I was born, is NOT that group.

Step one: The "if you give an inch they'll take a mile" people all quit the NRA.

Step two: The only people left in the NRA are the compromisers.

Step three: The NRA does not disappear as the premier organization representing gun owners. Yes, their membership may be smaller and other groups may pull in former NRA members, but no other group has the lobbying clout of the NRA for a few years at least.

Step four: When the next legislation rolls around and the NRA needs to weigh in, all the members left are still willing to give things away and so the response is far more giving than if all the other people had not quit in a huff.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[araomd]

The NRA’s Position on Bump Fire Stocks was Genius

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/johannes-paulsen/nras-position-bump-fire-stocks-genius/