Pediatrician questions

[Retread]

Doc, listen. I don't know if it's a government conspiracy or not. If not, it likely will be at some point.

My problem isn't whether or not I need the education; my problem is the invasion of my privacy that occurs when a doctor makes the assumption I do need it and proceeds to dish it out. Why wouldn't I just tell you it's NOYB and let the chips fall where they may? I would. But a lot of people see a doctor as such an authoritarian figure that they would simply suffer the indignity.

Pure and simple, I just see it as an intrusion into my life in a non-medical related area. To define doctors as keepers of the public safety as you do is really a stretch in my opinion, and the opinion of most I suspect.

You never answered this before, but tell me why you only touch on a few areas like guns, seat belts, helmets, etc. Take a moment and really think about all the potentially fatal hazards in the average home. There would have to be hundreds. what about them? I really wasn't kidding about my table saw example. Have you ever once asked a patient about that?

Ditto, how about trampolines and motorcycles. Oh, don't forget Corvettes. The ability to obtain a doctorate does imply intelligence, it does not mean you possess a superior knowledge of right and wrong, and what serves society's best interest. Basic socialist thought has shown that the key to change is through education and indoctrination of the young; that is where the good doctor fits in, whether intentional or not, it makes an impact on the beliefs of the impressionable. As they convince the public that security out weighs the individuals privacy, our medical records will no longer be private, and doctors will begin to expand the definitions of mental illness for the protection of the masses. Look at the popularity of the ADHD diagnoses over the last 20 years and how it has affected society.

I exposed my son to firearms in a very controlled way from a very young age. Proper training, not hysteria is the key. Big brother has caused more harm than good. I don't know how much time I have spent explaining why authority figures are wrong. As a result, I have a son who evaluates what people say, and though he is in his 20's, still asks my opinion on things he hears. By the way, he's an Eagle Scout. Scouting is an experience I recommend highly to parents with young sons.

 

[woodstock]

Do the gun safety signs outside a gun show piss you off too? Does it make you mad they assume you need to be reminded of it? Does the spiel from the range safety officer every time you go shoot at a range upset you because they blindly assume that you might need to hear it when in fact you do not?

We'll agree to disagree but rest assured that a doctor that doesn't mention all the safety issues I've mentioned is not doing their job completely.

Thank God you are here. What color is that big S on your chest?

 

[drewga11]

Do the gun safety signs outside a gun show piss you off too? Does it make you mad they assume you need to be reminded of it? Does the spiel from the range safety officer every time you go shoot at a range upset you because they blindly assume that you might need to hear it when in fact you do not?

We'll agree to disagree but rest assured that a doctor that doesn't mention all the safety issues I've mentioned is not doing their job completely.

I only quoted you once to save time, but you keep making comparisons to situations that aren't the same. Being told gun safety at a gun event and being told gun safety at a doctor's office are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! It's expected at a range, odt meet, gun show, etc. It is NOT expected at the doctor's office.

I understand it may be part of your job to discuss safety issues with patients, but the key word there is discuss, not question or dictate.

 

[graybeard]

Do the gun safety signs outside a gun show piss you off too? Does it make you mad they assume you need to be reminded of it? Does the spiel from the range safety officer every time you go shoot at a range upset you because they blindly assume that you might need to hear it when in fact you do not?

We'll agree to disagree but rest assured that a doctor that doesn't mention all the safety issues I've mentioned is not doing their job completely.

Of course signs outside a gun show don't piss me off, nor do range officers.

Why? First off those are gun related venues doc, so you'd have an expectation of such talk. Secondly, they aren't safety suggestions, they're hard and fast rules. I follow the rules or I don't enter either. I own neither venue so I can comply or go home. They aren't meddling in my business, they're simply stating their terms of use. I expect to see these rules at both places.

But I neither want nor expect gun discussion of any kind at my doctors office.

Respectfully doc, I'm sure you're good at what you do and I think you're sincere. But in trying to draw such an obtuse comparison you display a shocking lack of logic for a man with your education. There is simply no relationship at all between your scenarios and visiting a doctor.

 

[graybeard]

I only quoted you once to save time, but you keep making comparisons to situations that aren't the same. Being told gun safety at a gun event and being told gun safety at a doctor's office are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! It's expected at a range, odt meet, gun show, etc. It is NOT expected at the doctor's office.

I understand it may be part of your job to discuss safety issues with patients, but the key word there is discuss, not question or dictate.

Of course signs outside a gun show don't piss me off, nor do range officers.

Why? First off those are gun related venues doc, so you'd have an expectation of such talk. Secondly, they aren't safety suggestions, they're hard and fast rules. I follow the rules or I don't enter either. I own neither venue so I can comply or go home. They aren't meddling in my business, they're simply stating their terms of use. I expect to see these rules at both places.

But I neither want nor expect gun discussion of any kind at my doctors office.

Respectfully doc, I'm sure you're good at what you do and I think you're sincere. But in trying to draw such an obtuse comparison you display a shocking lack of logic for a man with your education. There is simply no relationship at all between your scenarios and visiting a doctor.

Wow.

Evidently great minds thinking alike!

Couldn't have said it better myself, drewga11!

 

[MCG DAWG]

Of course signs outside a gun show don't piss me off, nor do range officers.

Why? First off those are gun related venues doc, so you'd have an expectation of such talk. Secondly, they aren't safety suggestions, they're hard and fast rules. I follow the rules or I don't enter either. I own neither venue so I can comply or go home. They aren't meddling in my business, they're simply stating their terms of use. I expect to see these rules at both places.

But I neither want nor expect gun discussion of any kind at my doctors office.

Respectfully doc, I'm sure you're good at what you do and I think you're sincere. But in trying to draw such an obtuse comparison you display a shocking lack of logic for a man with your education. There is simply no relationship at all between your scenarios and visiting a doctor.

It's part of my job. If you don't want to hear it you'd have to pick another doc because I'm going to say it. That's "my" hard and fast rule. Listen to it, ignore if you wish, but it's going to be said.

The logic is there. It's been 21 years since I sat in Philosophy 101 but I'll try it in that logical argument form

Accidents kill children ages 1-18 more than anything other cause
Accidental shootings are included in these accidents.
Doctors want to save the lives of children
Therefore, doctors should warn of the dangers of accidents including accidental shootings.

It's about as simple a logical argument as could be made. Sorry it upsets you to hear the advice from a doctor. It's not a decree from on high, it's not a admonition because you've done something wrong, it's simple friendly advice to help make your kid safer. Shouldn't be taken as anything more than that. It's part of what we do. It's part of what our professional associations, panels of experts, and consensus statements from various organizations support.

Do you get mad when they tell you the recommendations about a children's car seats even though they aren't members of the National Transportation Safety Board?

Do you get mad when they discuss safety around a pool even though they aren't a lifeguard?

Do you get mad when they discuss the need of a fire safety plan even though they aren't a fireman?

Do you get mad when they discuss the need to keep noxious chemicals locked up even though they made a B- in Organic Chemistry?

 

[drewga11]

Do you get mad when they tell you the recommendations about a children's car seats even though they aren't members of the National Transportation Safety Board?

Do you get mad when they discuss safety around a pool even though they aren't a lifeguard?

Do you get mad when they discuss the need of a fire safety plan even though they aren't a fireman?

Do you get mad when they discuss the need to keep noxious chemicals locked up even though they made a B- in Organic Chemistry?

Again, you are comparing totally different things here.

By your logic, if a doctor is asking questions like,"Do you own guns? Are your guns locked up and inaccessable to your children?", they should also be asking questions like,"Do you own a car? Are your cars locked up and inaccessable to your kids?" See how stupid the second set of questions sound? Yet more children ages 1-18 are killed in car accidents than accidental shootings by a wide margin.

I am by no means suggesting that people shouldn't be educated about safety, gun or otherwise, but the doctor's office should not be the place for it. If it must be, then it should be a discussion, not a bunch of questions asked to the children.

I'm not here to debate what your job requirements are. I am simply trying to point out that the comparisons you are trying to make are not logical.

I was assuming you to have a high level of intelligence and reading comprehension due to your years of school and the fact that you are doctor. Apparently I was either wrong or your ego is getting in the way. This is the second time I have pointed out your illogical comparisons and graybeard basically said the same thing I said in my previous post except his was a bit more eloquent. Yet you seem to have either not read those posts or not comprehended them since you continue to offer the same kind of illogical comparisons and keep choosing different words to repeat what you have already said.

 

[drewga11]

Wow.

Evidently great minds thinking alike!

Couldn't have said it better myself, drewga11!

Actually, I think you did say it better. Mine was just more short and to the point.

 

[drewga11]

I'm a family medicine doctor. I am a bit of a gun nut.

I ask families all the time if they have guns and we discuss the safe handling of the guns, ensuring they are locked up if children are in the home, etc.

A doctor's two year old son died up here 3 mos ago when he went to his grandfathers, found a loaded 1911 on a table in the living room and shot himself with it.

You really get upset that someone would ask you if you keep your guns locked up around the kids?

This would have been more believable if you said it was a Glock or Sig or something else that's not as heavy and doesn't have more than one external safety.

 

[howl]

I'd have stopped him right off the bat. If he protested I'd tell him if he wanted to get paid he'd finish up and address only her physical health. I've threatened to walk out and refuse to pay just for being left to wait too long. (It works, btw.) No way I'd suffer that from someone I was paying to do a job.