Pediatrician questions

[MCG DAWG]

Totally disagree with the good dr.

As far as "age appropriate advice" what to you tell people about jumping in front of a bus? What about getting out of a house that is on fire?
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I've already covered that we do talk about safely crossing the street and encouraging the parents to have a fire escape plan and "stop, drop, and roll" if on fire is something we go over with school age children.

I'm telling you we go over a LOT of stuff at the yearly physicals for kids.

 

[Retread]

My job is not only to treat an acute injury like you describe above but to also identify possible dangers to your children prior to them causing a problem. Usually these will be done at a yearly physical. I'll ask you to ensure they are appropriately restrained in an age and weight appropriate car seat. I'll ask that they always wear a helmet on a bicycle, four wheeler, etc. And yes I'll remind you to keep your guns and ammo appropriately locked up if young children are present. If you don't like being asked about things that make your child safer, don't take them to the doctor.

The guy that works on your car will remind you to have your oil changed. The guy who works on your kid will remind you not to keep a loaded .45 on the coffee table. It's really not that big of a deal.

Yes it is. To think not is delusional. If you care, put brochures in your waiting room and distribute free gun safety DVD's instead of compiling lists in peoples medical records for people to hold against them when that privacy is breached in the name of the public good. I instructed my son, from a very young age, to deny the family owned guns to everyone, no matter who they were.

 

[MCG DAWG]

Yes it is. To think not is delusional. If you care, put brochures in your waiting room and distribute free gun safety DVD's instead of compiling lists in peoples medical records for people to hold against them when that privacy is breached in the name of the public good. I instructed my son, from a very young age, to deny the family owned guns to everyone, no matter who they were.

To clarify, and I should have done this earlier, I don't ask IF you have guns. I don't document IF you have guns. I simply mention it, "of course be sure and keep loaded guns in a secure or locked location away from kids and be sure that if they come in contact with guns they know the four main rules of gun safety". There is no record of any gun ownership in you private medical records.

Recently I attended a ODT meet and greet/trading expo in Dalton thanks to a member here who hosted it at his bike shop. NUMEROUS times in that thread and on the night of the show he posted his rules of gun safety for anyone wishing to attend. No one got their panties in a wad, no one had their feelings hurt, no one said "what right have you to tell me I can't bring a loaded gun with me, I've been trained", no one questioned his reasoning for going over gun safety issues for this gathering, etc. Everyone simply took it as a good reminder of good habits with their guns, everyone stayed safe, and we all had a good time. But if a doctor mentions "don't leave a loaded gun laying around" everyone here is all up in arms and ready to think it's a government conspiracy to take away your guns. I continue to be amazed.

 

[graybeard]

To clarify, and I should have done this earlier, I don't ask IF you have guns. I don't document IF you have guns. I simply mention it, "of course be sure and keep loaded guns in a secure or locked location away from kids and be sure that if they come in contact with guns they know the four main rules of gun safety". There is no record of any gun ownership in you private medical records.

Recently I attended a ODT meet and greet/trading expo in Dalton thanks to a member here who hosted it at his bike shop. NUMEROUS times in that thread and on the night of the show he posted his rules of gun safety for anyone wishing to attend. No one got their panties in a wad, no one had their feelings hurt, no one said "what right have you to tell me I can't bring a loaded gun with me, I've been trained", no one questioned his reasoning for going over gun safety issues for this gathering, etc. Everyone simply took it as a good reminder of good habits with their guns, everyone stayed safe, and we all had a good time. But if a doctor mentions "don't leave a loaded gun laying around" everyone here is all up in arms and ready to think it's a government conspiracy to take away your guns. I continue to be amazed.

Doc, listen. I don't know if it's a government conspiracy or not. If not, it likely will be at some point.

My problem isn't whether or not I need the education; my problem is the invasion of my privacy that occurs when a doctor makes the assumption I do need it and proceeds to dish it out. Why wouldn't I just tell you it's NOYB and let the chips fall where they may? I would. But a lot of people see a doctor as such an authoritarian figure that they would simply suffer the indignity.

Pure and simple, I just see it as an intrusion into my life in a non-medical related area. To define doctors as keepers of the public safety as you do is really a stretch in my opinion, and the opinion of most I suspect.

You never answered this before, but tell me why you only touch on a few areas like guns, seat belts, helmets, etc. Take a moment and really think about all the potentially fatal hazards in the average home. There would have to be hundreds. what about them? I really wasn't kidding about my table saw example. Have you ever once asked a patient about that?

 

[woodstock]

Hey "doc" , appreciate the condescension and patronizing

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[MCG DAWG]

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Doc, listen. I don't know if it's a government conspiracy or not. If not, it likely will be at some point.

My problem isn't whether or not I need the education; my problem is the invasion of my privacy that occurs when a doctor makes the assumption I do need it and proceeds to dish it out. Why wouldn't I just tell you it's NOYB and let the chips fall where they may? I would. But a lot of people see a doctor as such an authoritarian figure that they would simply suffer the indignity.

Pure and simple, I just see it as an intrusion into my life in a non-medical related area. To define doctors as keepers of the public safety as you do is really a stretch in my opinion, and the opinion of most I suspect.

You never answered this before, but tell me why you only touch on a few areas like guns, seat belts, helmets, etc. Take a moment and really think about all the potentially fatal hazards in the average home. There would have to be hundreds. what about them? I really wasn't kidding about my table saw example. Have you ever once asked a patient about that?

Have you read my other examples in this thread about things we discuss in the public safety realm? I think we've covered poisoning, car safety seats, crossing the road, fire hazards, water/pool safety amongst others. Others I haven't mentioned are choking hazard, electrical outlet/cord issues, avoiding strangers, dressing warmly even in mild temps (kids have different body surface to mass ratio), and others.

I'm sorry you feel it is a waste of your valuable time for the doctor to discuss such issues with you.

I myself spent months of training in pediatrics, delivered over 70 kids, and am certified in advanced pediatric life support. However when it came time for my oldest to "graduate" from the NICU I sat there with three other sets of parents for an hour listening to a course on basic CPR for infants. I didn't ***** about it, didnt tell the educator it was none of her business what was in our crib at home, didn't flaunt my training, and I sat there and listened to a nice refresher over something I already knew because it might better help me keep my son alive. It's all about stepping back and looking at the big picture and having a good idea of when flipping the "pissed off" switch is appropriate and when it is not. I argue a doc telling you not to leave a loaded gun around is not something to get pissed off about. You obviously feel differently.

As to the table saw I have not ever seen a child injured by a table saw, it doesn't appear on the list of most common injuries, but thanks to you I'm going to have it added to the template in our electronic medical record for all kids over three and label it "Power Tools Saftey sponsored by Graybeard Inc".

 

[JohnnyPlant]

Holy S$#*!

 

[Mission Operator]

WHAT???????

 

[Hasselhoss]

To clarify, and I should have done this earlier, I don't ask IF you have guns. I don't document IF you have guns. I simply mention it, "of course be sure and keep loaded guns in a secure or locked location away from kids and be sure that if they come in contact with guns they know the four main rules of gun safety". There is no record of any gun ownership in you private medical records.

Recently I attended a ODT meet and greet/trading expo in Dalton thanks to a member here who hosted it at his bike shop. NUMEROUS times in that thread and on the night of the show he posted his rules of gun safety for anyone wishing to attend. No one got their panties in a wad, no one had their feelings hurt, no one said "what right have you to tell me I can't bring a loaded gun with me, I've been trained", no one questioned his reasoning for going over gun safety issues for this gathering, etc. Everyone simply took it as a good reminder of good habits with their guns, everyone stayed safe, and we all had a good time. But if a doctor mentions "don't leave a loaded gun laying around" everyone here is all up in arms and ready to think it's a government conspiracy to take away your guns. I continue to be amazed.

You went to a gun-related meeting about guns with other people who have guns to talk about guns and someone mentioned gun safety? I'm shocked.

Do you not see the difference? For the record. You are backing away from your position. My OP states that they asked if we had guns in our house. They entered that in to their computer. They then asked about gun safety, storage, etc.. Maybe next time I'll ask the doctor if she personally uses Tampons or maxi-pads because I'm concerned about toxic shock syndrome.

 

[woodstock]

You went to a gun-related meeting about guns with other people who have guns to talk about guns and someone mentioned gun safety? I'm shocked.

Do you not see the difference? For the record. You are backing away from your position. My OP states that they asked if we had guns in our house. They entered that in to their computer. They then asked about gun safety, storage, etc.. Maybe next time I'll ask the doctor if she personally uses Tampons or maxi-pads because I'm concerned about toxic shock syndrome.

Funny about the feminine hygiene- doubt the guy is even a doc, just trollin