Pitbull discussion started in The Awesome, Cool and Random Pic. Thread.

[zesty]

Ok, never have another... Who really gives a flying ****.

I've had two as well, FatAlbert was the most loyal, sweetest, empathetic dog I've ever known and my entire circle that knew him would say the same.

Thor is doing his best to fill those shoes, when thor's time comes hopefully many years from now I'll search out again for another because they have been the best companions.

Everyones experience varies.

And yes, pitbulls are extremely popular amongst ****ty poor people looking for a dog as some sort of social status. Look no further than your local shelter, or tied to trees in your local ghetto, or just search for puppies on craigslist and see every other post is some idiot sell $50 "pitbull puppies".

I'll be the first to say this world needs way less pitbulls (way less dogs in general) they are over breed, unethically breed, and unethically treated. It's a major PEOPLE problem though, it's not the dogs or the breeds fault.

Pitbulls are no different than 99% of all other dogs, simply give them your heart and they give theirs back 10 fold.

Apparently, you give a ****, lol. Anyway, I'll I'm saying is that the truth is probably in the middle somewhere. I don't think they're as bad as some people think and they're probably not as bad as the data shows when you consider other factors.

Different dog breeds have different temperaments. That is definitely a thing. Labradors have a strong play drive and strong desire to please. Teaching them to fetch is easy. Yes, it' takes a good owner, but they have a natural advantage. Sure, there's exceptions but it's widely known that labs are good at fetching.

Pits have a strong prey drive, are high strung, and are over protective. Sure, that can all be managed by a good owner. They have a natural predisposition to have a problem with though. The "people" problem is that people shouldn't adopt any dog without knowing what they're getting into, especially a pit.

 

[fslc94]

Diesel says bullsheet!!

 

[Fatal_Bert]

Apparently, you give a ****, lol. Anyway, I'll I'm saying is that the truth is probably in the middle somewhere. I don't think they're as bad as some people think and they're probably not as bad as the data shows when you consider other factors.

Different dog breeds have different temperaments. That is definitely a thing. Labradors have a strong play drive and strong desire to please. Teaching them to fetch is easy. Yes, it' takes a good owner, but they have a natural advantage. Sure, there's exceptions but it's widely known that labs are good at fetching.

Pits have a strong prey drive, are high strung, and are over protective. Sure, that can all be managed by a good owner. They have a natural predisposition to have a problem with though. The "people" problem is that people shouldn't adopt any dog without knowing what they're getting into, especially a pit.

Since you mentioned temperament, and your vast knowledge of breed temperament and how we should be "especially" aware of adopting a pitbull please explain how your
personal experience trump's the largest breed temperament testing experiment in the world, and why your findings on the American Pitbull terrier differs so much from theirs?

https://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

 

[Npowers66]

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Diesel says bullsheet!!

Beautiful dog!

 

[fslc94]

Beautiful dog!

Thank you, years ago @Bear44 trained him and did a great job. He’s 8 now, but still the man!

 

[zesty]

Since you mentioned temperament, and your vast knowledge of breed temperament and how we should be "especially" aware of adopting a pitbull please explain how your
personal experience trump's the largest breed temperament testing experiment in the world, and why your findings on the American Pitbull terrier differs so much from theirs?

https://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

The link you provided does not appear to be testing a random sampling of dogs. People volunteer to bring their dogs to tests. From what I skimmed, this test says nothing about the general population of dogs or what predispositions they may have. That's why my findings differ.

If you can't agree that different breeds have different predispositions for some behaviors, then I don't think there's any more productive discussion to be had on this. You're obviously a good dog owner and I agree that people being good owners would solve most dog related problems in general so thanks for that.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

The link you provided does not appear to be testing a random sampling of dogs. People volunteer to bring their dogs to tests. From what I skimmed, this test says nothing about the general population of dogs or what predispositions they may have. That's why my findings differ.

If you can't agree that different breeds have different predispositions for some behaviors, then I don't think there's any more productive discussion to be had on this. You're obviously a good dog owner and I agree that people being good owners would solve most dog related problems in general so thanks for that.

You quoted the graph from the OP as some kind of truth, even though it comes from dogbites.org a website owned an ran by a single lunatic lady.

But legit testing of hundreds of dogs from 100's of breeds done In a controlled study by professionals who work with dogs for a living means nothing compared to your vast experience.

Or someone like Bear44 who has worked with thousands of dog of all different breeds, his experience pales to your two pitbull mixes

I agree, these conversations are never productive.

 

[Tazz]

@Bear44

Pits have a strong prey drive, are high strung, and are over protective. Sure, that can all be managed by a good owner. They have a natural predisposition to have a problem with though. The "people" problem is that people shouldn't adopt any dog without knowing what they're getting into, especially a pit.

I’ve never seen a dog that didn’t have strong prey drive, even my Australian Shepherd/Boxer mix Finlay had it but even at 115 lbs he was scared to death of other people and especially children. He ran and hid under the bed when we had company over to visit, only let me, my wife and my sons touch him. Not an aggressive bone in his body, the sweetest and most gentle dog I’ve ever known. I miss him something awful...

Our little Dixie is an English Staffordshire Bull Terrier mix, she does try to catch anything she sees in the yard but she has no idea about sneaking up on them, she just takes off full blast after birds & squirrels and they hear and see her long before she even gets close. It’s hilarious to watch. lol! As far as being high strung, that’s not her, she loves to play but loves to cuddle up on the couch and sleep even more. She sleeps in the bed with my wife, I wouldn’t allow it if I thought for a second she would hurt her because my wife has MS and heart problems and she’s on 2 different blood thinners. No way I’d let Dixie that close or even in the house if I thought she’d hurt my wife. Dixie’s one of those “throw away pit mixes” that we adopted from the shelter, rescue dogs are the best dogs EVER, bar none. The only kind of dogs I’ve ever had and the only kind I’ll ever have. Of course YMMV....

Dixie’s first night in her new forever home.

Ain’t she cute? Lol!

 

[zesty]

You quoted the graph from the OP as some kind of truth, even though it comes from dogbites.org a website owned an ran by a single lunatic lady.

But legit testing of hundreds of dogs from 100's of breeds done In a controlled study by professionals who work with dogs for a living means nothing compared to your vast experience.

Or someone like Bear44 who has worked with thousands of dog of all different breeds, his experience pales to your two pitbull mixes

I agree, these conversations are never productive.

I personally met with Bear44 with one of my dogs (pit mix). He is awesome. We may differ in opinion some but I don't think anything I've said is far out of line.

I like these discussions and do think they're helpful. I'm just about at my end with this one. I'll concede that it's getting beyond my level of knowledge at this point.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

I personally met with Bear44 with one of my dogs (pit mix). He is awesome. We may differ in opinion some but I don't think anything I've said is far out of line.

I like these discussions and do think they're helpful. I'm just about at my end with this one. I'll concede that it's getting beyond my level of knowledge at this point.

It's all good man, I get passionate about the subject because my personal experiences with my dogs.

It's crazy how different peoples views are. Honest to God if I'm walking thor down the street and come up on some young black dudes they will haul ass to the other side of the street, 100% every single time. But then every single time I pass some older white lady they 100% of the time have to stop and pet him.

Peoples experiences make them who they are I guess.