Call S8 to see if they had a ruger or Smith a family member was looking for. Whoever answered the phone proceeded to tell me I need to purchase a Taurus, as ruger firearms were junk and both ruger and Smith had the worst customer service of any gun company's in business. And that if I had an issue with a Taurus it would be corrected in less than 3 weeks time. Lead me to the conclusion that this guys is either an idiot or liar or maybe both. So I just hung up and moved on. Will never call them or go to their store again, anyone else had a similar experience with Section 8