Should parents be jailed if their children have access to their firearms and use them in a shooting?

[300_whisper]

And by your argument you should be allowed to spawn worthless trash and then have no responsibility to raise them properly. If not your responsibility then who's? The Government? The (government) school system? Right and wrong is something that should be learned in the home. Not the schools.

No that’s not my argument at all. What about columbine shooters or the Colorado shooter? They came from great families. They still committed atrocities. Those families weren’t held accountable. It comes down to individual actions. This forum talks about individual accountability, but then pick and choose when to apply it.

We don’t know if this dad was a good dad or not, but they want to charge him with murder? Absolutely ridiculous. Again the kid is being charged as an adult. So which is it? Is he an adult, or a child whose dad is ultimately responsible? Can’t have it both ways.

There are 100 of thousands of kids with terrible parents who don’t go out and kill people. At 14 you are intellectually developed enough to know that murder is wrong.

 

[CTS Tactical]

I know appearances can be deceiving, but in the courtroom shots of the dad, he does not appear to be the sharpest crayon in the box. Couple that with a bat-**** crazy wife and it's a wonder he ever made any good decisions in life.

Oh, well in that case we should just look the other way then. I know that is not what you meant but, that is kind of the way that sort of thinking comes off to me.

No that’s not my argument at all. What about columbine shooters or the Colorado shooter? They came from great families. They still committed atrocities. Those families weren’t held accountable. It comes down to individual actions. This forum talks about individual accountability, but then pick and choose when to apply it.

We don’t know if this dad was a good dad or not, but they want to charge him with murder? Absolutely ridiculous. Again he’s being charged as an adult. So which is it? Is he an adult, or a child whose dad is ultimately responsible? Can’t have it both ways.

I do not pick and choose when to apply it. I think the parents of the Columbine shooters and most of the other school shooter should be held to account. We have laws for a reason. You are financially responsible for your children till they reach a certain age. Why not morally and legally responsible as well?

 

[Ken Ford]

1. If you've never watched a kid with ADHD grow up then maybe you should read up on it. They're not all school shooters and SSRI's might be the only thing that saves them. They recommend physchologists, training, education and medication. Guess which one would be the first choice on a 14 year old kid with a crackhead mom thats in and out of jail and rumored to be bullied in school for being gay.
2. You're an ignorant father, trying to get by, who loves his boys and would do anything to make them happy. With everything that's going to hell in your life, a visit from the fbi about an idle threat on a video game doesn't strike as much fear in you as it does to the feds. What the f... do they know. We have adults on here that want to take both the "mf'ers back to the scene of the crime" and shoot them. Hope you're not "gamers". Could get a visit.
What the father did was wrong and he should go to jail for it but this kid didn't have a chance.

Sorry, but in my opinion this is a major part of the problem.
Kids older that six or less know right from wrong. making excuses because of their youth miss guided and harmful to the kids, as it leads them to believe their out bursts are except able , because after all they are just kids.

Look at the ages of our founding fathers, and tell me how they just can’t help them selves. Look especially at Andrew Jackson.

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Not a hit at you, just my opinion on the youth side.

 

[Ken Ford]

Oh, well in that case we should just look the other way then. I know that is not what you meant but, that is kind of the way that sort of thinking comes off to me.

I do not pick and choose when to apply it. I think the parents of the Columbine shooters and most of the other school shooter should be held to account. We have laws for a reason. You are financially responsible for your children till they reach a certain age. Why not morally and legally responsible as well?

Like I said in another thread, parents were held responsible until we all conceded our children to the state for raising.

 

[lostchild]

Oh, well in that case we should just look the other way then. I know that is not what you meant but, that is kind of the way that sort of thinking comes off to me.

I do not pick and choose when to apply it. I think the parents of the Columbine shooters and most of the other school shooter should be held to account. We have laws for a reason. You are financially responsible for your children till they reach a certain age. Why not morally and legally responsible as well?

Because of that pesky free will concept in every living being.
I would have hated for my parents and grandparents to be held responsible for some of the **** I did as a teen.

 

[300_whisper]

Oh, well in that case we should just look the other way then. I know that is not what you meant but, that is kind of the way that sort of thinking comes off to me.

I do not pick and choose when to apply it. I think the parents of the Columbine shooters and most of the other school shooter should be held to account. We have laws for a reason. You are financially responsible for your children till they reach a certain age. Why not morally and legally responsible as well?

Who’s to say the dad wasn’t morally responsible for his son? What if his son was just a bad person? I know bad people who had a great upbringing. My best friend had an amazing life and has an amazing career and he still turned into a **** bag.

As much as we want to, there comes a point where people (parents, friends, government) can no longer control an individual.

 

[CTS Tactical]

Who’s to say the dad wasn’t morally responsible for his son? What if his son was just a bad person? I know bad people who had a great upbringing. My best friend had an amazing life and has an amazing career and he still turned into a **** bag.

It is pretty obvious in this particular instance. Go back and read post #12 again. If you had read the entire thread you would know that I agree with what you are saying in general. In cases like that it is pretty much usually been documented that yours is a problem child and you have tried to steer them along the right path.

 

[GodBlessTheUSA]

I'm sure it's been said before, however:

At my high school almost every truck had a gun rack in the back window with some combo of a deer rifle, a shotgun, and / or a .22 rifle. It was a small school, but you still had at least 20-40 long guns sitting in the parking lot every day.

Never had a shot fired.

What's changed with our youth and our country? (Semi-Rhetorical Question)

 

[300_whisper]

It is pretty obvious in this particular instance. Go back and read post #12 again. If you had read the entire thread you would know that I agree with what you are saying in general. In cases like that it is pretty much usually been documented that yours is a problem child and you have tried to steer them along the right path.

I did read post 12.

 

[CTS Tactical]

I'm sure it's been said before, however:

At my high school almost every truck had a gun rack in the back window with some combo of a deer rifle, a shotgun, and / or a .22 rifle. It was a small school, but you still had at least 20-40 long guns sitting in the parking lot every day.

Never had a shot fired.

What's changed with our youth and our country? (Semi-Rhetorical Question)

Same when I was in school. Most of them didn't have the doors locked either and never a problem of getting stolen.

I did read that and I don’t agree with it. At a certain point you can’t control people.

This is true. I got that way at age 17. Quit school. Thought I was grown. I was told to get a job, start paying rent or GTFO of his house by my father. That is when I enlisted in the army. Had I tried that at age 14 he would have beat my ass.