The Fear Of Carrying Cocked And Locked

[biker_bill]

So just FYI, I know the Sig P938 and P238 are practically mini 1911's. But there is one big difference. There is NO grip safety on the Sigs. That being said, on a 1911, in order for that hammer to fall, you really need to disengage the thumb safety PLUS disengage the grip safety. The Sigs only require you to disengage the thumb safety. That's kind of a big difference to me. Keep in mind, I've never owned a P938/238. I've talked to some people recently that have and I've heard more than once that the thumb safety didn't seem to be that sturdy. In other words, it seemed quite easy to disengage it and they had concerns that it might disengage accidentally. I'm skeptical on this, but it's definitely something to be mindful of. I would think that if you have it in a quality Kydex holster, such as the Cook's the OP mentioned, and it's molded in the engaged position, the chance of it being disengaged accidentally are slim.

I, too, am still considering switching to it for a summer carry, but the lack of a grip safety has made me hesitant (they're also not that cheap compared to a $350 Kahr CM9).

I've been carrying the Sig P938 for about 8 months now. The safety hasn't disengaged on it's own yet.
Hopefully if it ever does I'll notice, I try to stay in touch with whatever I'm carrying.
That Sig OWB holster keeps the whole gun and especially the trigger area well covered.

 

[GlockIssue]

I've been carrying the Sig P938 for about 8 months now. The safety hasn't disengaged on it's own yet.
Hopefully if it ever does I'll notice, I try to stay in touch with whatever I'm carrying.
That Sig OWB holster keeps the whole gun and especially the trigger area well covered.

That's good to know. It's a sweet shooter, that's for sure!

 

[white]

I carry a Sig 938 everyday cocked and locked. I haven't shot myself yet but I'll let you know if that changes. It feels safer to me than a striker fired pistol but maybe I am a little crazy. I don't know

 

[WC1911guy]

Practice, practice , practice. The 1911 platform is so easy and accurate to shoot BUT it requires dedicated work to be proficient from the draw and not have an AD or worse not dis-engage the safety and can't shoot at all. Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911. You are at a disadvantage in any other condition.

Funny thing is I carried a 1911 for so long that when I started carrying a Glock again I could feel my thumb coming up and over the side of the slide during the mid point in my draw from muscle memory to dis-engage the thumb safety which Glocks obviously don't have . It was just a hold over from working with the 1911 so much.

 

[whitefeather]

I was shy about condition 1 carry with my first 1911. After i wore it around the property doing yard work, dropped it on multiple occasions and alot of practice drawing the weapon unloaded. i have found it to be reliable and i never had an issue with the safety being disengaged. I would defiantly not go cheap on the holster as others have mentioned.

 

[GlockIssue]

Practice, practice , practice. The 1911 platform is so easy and accurate to shoot BUT it requires dedicated work to be proficient from the draw and not have an AD or worse not dis-engage the safety and can't shoot at all. Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911. You are at a disadvantage in any other condition.

Funny thing is I carried a 1911 for so long that when I started carrying a Glock again I could feel my thumb coming up and over the side of the slide during the mid point in my draw from muscle memory to dis-engage the thumb safety which Glocks obviously don't have . It was just a hold over from working with the 1911 so much.

Yea, this is the other thing that has made me hesitant to make the switch to the P938. I've only carried Glocks except for the Kahr CM9 that I picked up a few months ago. I would need to do a LOT of dry drawing and range practice to get that muscle memory in place.

 

[biker_bill]

That's good to know. It's a sweet shooter, that's for sure!

Don't ask me why, because I haven't figured it out yet.
But at 15 yards I can shoot tight bulls consistently, at 20 I'm just ok with it and at 25 I'm not worth a poop with it, lol.
More practice I say!

 

[GlockIssue]

Don't ask me why, because I haven't figured it out yet.
But at 15 yards I can shoot tight bulls consistently, at 20 I'm just ok with it and at 25 I'm not worth a poop with it, lol.
More practice I say!

Yea, just sounds like a practice thing to me.

 

[biker_bill]

I carry a Sig 938 everyday cocked and locked. I haven't shot myself yet but I'll let you know if that changes. It feels safer to me than a striker fired pistol but maybe I am a little crazy. I don't know

I agree it feels "safer" to me too, but at the added time expense of needing to do more than pull the trigger.
It took some training time for me. I went from a military 1911, to a S&W 459 that I carried for years when I worked armored trucks.
Safety off when down on the military 1911, safety off when up on the S&W, now safety off again when down on the Sig.

Can't these gun makers agree on something this important?

 

[Omega]

Facts are simple. You increase the risk of an AD when locked and loaded. i understand those who ignore that and have no issue with their belief or their safety... (9/10 times you will hurt yourself with this level of split second readiness, fortunately )

However, i dont live in a place i deem that necessary. Yet, i dont understand having an unloaded gun.
I was brought up the same way op I cannot leave my firearms locked and loaded. I cannot leave a safety off if it has one. its not enough for me.
what i was told as a kid.

youre the safety. Never face a barrel at someone. No matter what
all guns are loaded (assumed)
never hand someone a gun cocked
Never fire past someone

and Always lock your footlocker. and no jelly donuts