Universal Background Checks? Yes or No? Ideas?

[bc]

In talking with my neighbors and fellow citizens on the street, I seem to be in the minority, but until someone can give me a reasoned and logical explanation how taking Martha Stewarts home defense guns away is somehow making us a safer nation while at the same time allowing our revolving door prison system to keep releasing known violent thugs back into our society, I oppose any and all background checks.

Once you allow the anti-gun zealots to disenfranchise one group, they then start taking bites out of other groups, which is exactly what has been occurring over the past several decades. The government has been very effective convincing the public there is a distinction between legal and illegal gun ownership, when in fact, no distinction exists under the Constitution. If the goal was truly public safety, we would quit releasing violent criminals or mentally ill back into society until they are no longer a threat. Preventing Pete Rose from buying a gun through normal channels is not the solution to gun violence.

Forcing free citizens to have to ask permission to exercise their constitutional right for no other reason than to justify releasing violent thugs who can't be trusted with a gun and who have no respect for any gun law does nothing to make any of us safer. It makes the liberals 'feel good' though.

As for mass shooters, would we prefer they use explosives?

 

[rebel1022]

Yeah from what I can tell the government can take a go idea and completely ruin it and turn it into something it isn't supposed to be....kinda like they did with the no child left behind program. What if a private group put a website together like this? Though I think the government probably has laws against it.

As far a defeat goes it isn't that, it is a total lack of faith in what our government system has become. Did you guys miss the last 2 elections??? Look at the people that are voting in the guys to make laws, and elect Supreme Court Justices, and sit in a room and discuss the ways to stomp on your rights. Do you see what your country is going to become?

Constitution???? None of the guys in there care about the constitution look at Obama he has done so many things that go against the Constitution and no one will do anything about it. What can we do with people like Harry Reid running the Senate? They won't vote him out no matter what he does. This is what is happening and we should all be able to see it. What will you do? Protest? Take it to the Supreme Court like they did the Health care Bill? let our now Liberal judges there sit back and interpret the Constitution the way it suits them?

These are serious problems we are facing here and the country's majority is really starting to lean the wrong way with the media tossing out their Liberal BS everyday telling everyone that the assault weapons and high capacity mags and dirty background checks and every other BS thing is the cause. We have our beliefs. Many are stated right here on these pages but they will not stop this administration or our Liberal Supreme court from taking rights away from us. They do it all the time and you guys are blind if you think they won't try it again here. So what options are there?

 

[jlcnuke]

What options? How about we start with a simple one, not accepting defeat as inevitable and continue to fight for our rights. It's an option that has worked overwhelmingly in our favor in the past, though there have been losses.

 

[5Generations]

Speaking from a personal law enforcement perspective, universal background checks will have zero impact on criminals, that is why they are criminals, they DO NOT obey the law, hence the term criminal...

And that zero impact is where the problem is.

Also, without the states opening the databases for mental illness, those purchases would not be prevented, either.

Finally, there is the problem of identity theft. If you can find someone that passes the background check, how hard is it for a CRIMINAL to then fabricate a DL and WL (if the state issues one) and buy at will. Then the guns may be traceable to someone that had nothing to do with the purchase. I had CC numbers hacked twice in 2012, so the problem with identity theft is growing as well.

To me, this is a solution looking for a problem. Let's spend the time identifying the problems, instead.

 

[bc]

Yeah, it's called Constitutional Carry.
Actually there IS something wrong with gun owners entertaining further restrictions on gun ownership. It's called defeat.

 

[chucklenut]

What options? How about we start with a simple one, not accepting defeat as inevitable and continue to fight for our rights. It's an option that has worked overwhelmingly in our favor in the past, though there have been losses.

That's why I dont like the NRA. Compromise is the first thing they look to

 

[bc]

For those of you saying the 4473 isn't a form of registration or can't lead to it, can you answer why then, they need the serial number of the gun being transferred?

 

[jsquared]

For those of you saying the 4473 isn't a form of registration or can't lead to it, can you answer why then, they need the serial number of the gun being transferred?

I never said the 4473 can't lead to registration, just that it would take an act of congress and the collection of the physical forms to happen. Its possible, just not likely.

 

[bc]

I never said the 4473 can't lead to registration, just that it would take an act of congress and the collection of the physical forms to happen. Its possible, just not likely.

I never said YOU did............I simply asked a question. If the SOLE purpose is to verify whether or not a person is legal to purchase or not, then why do they require the serial number of the gun? And as for the collection of physical data, I have my doubts as to ATF not having the ability to retrieve a digital copy of the records that was done on their end for "test samples" and such, whether it is legal for them to do so or not. What the gun dealer has in hand is of little importance after the fact.

 

[spencer60]

I never said the 4473 can't lead to registration, just that it would take an act of congress and the collection of the physical forms to happen. Its possible, just not likely.

My company is in the process of scanning in our 'service cards', with technicians hand-written notes dating back to the 1940s. There are several million of them, and a company in India is doing all the scanning and image-to-text conversion for us for about a million dollars. Estimated time is 30 days.

If the government wants that data (and in this administration they definitely do), and a single change is made to the laws, they could have copies mailed and scanned in less than 90 days. Within 6 months you could have a full-fledged registration database system up and running.