Video of Open Carrier Mandeville Shooting of Shawn Breland

[Jeddak]

The shooter was a firearms instructor, btw. There was another thread about it on ODT. Could he have been more discreet in getting the tag number? Maybe.The attacker's truck was not very close to the building, and he might not have been able to get the number.
He did everything he could to de-escalate the situation. If you are on the floor, bing beten by a guy, with dozen of glass bottles around, what do you?

 

[Jeddak]

Not sure why NOT shooting makes you "think" you are bad ass. I would not have shot when he did, period. Would it have been justified to shoot? Probably, but I wouldn't have. I know this because I've been there, in a far more dire situation in which the attacker had a knife, and I did not shoot, however I would have been completely justified in doing so. My beef is less about the shooting and more about the many of ways he could have avoided finding himself in that corner in the first place.

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Shooter had tried to break off, but drunk kept coming on. Shooter ran into a building, and drunk followed him there. What "many ways" to escape the fight, after the punch was thrown, do you see?

 

[boomdad]

At the end, he was DEFINITELY in a corner, which is why it ended how it did.

Agreed

 

[CBH13]

saw this a couple days ago and im also on the side of the shooter. He did his best to not be involved and could have stepped in much earlier but didn't. "maybe" he could have gotten the tag more descretly but at the same time maybe he couldn't its hard to say. whats easy to say is that the aggressor was larger and determined to get into with the shooter, he followed him around every where and would not let him retreat. For those who say just throw some punches the other dude was clearly larger and no matter how much of a badass you are size is always difficult to overcome. plus it looks very much like the aggressor was intoxicated now some may think this makes it for an easier fight but could just as easy make it much much harder, as someone whos been in it with quiet a few drunks let me tell you it deff dulls whatever blows you land. at the end the guy was forced into a corner with a larger man beating down on him, not much else he could do honestly.

One thing to ask yourself on this one is if you replaced mr punisher shirt with an average sized female how many would still think they shouldn't have shot?

 

[boomdad]

It's not wether or not the guy the guy did the right thing or not. It's about the shooting being 100% justified, which it was.

 

[Burdy]

One thing to ask yourself on this one is if you replaced mr punisher shirt with an average sized female how many would still think they shouldn't have shot?

I actually thought about a similar question last night and it's an excellent one. I think I would have for sure been more inclined to be OK with the shooting. Which is why I said "I" wouldn't have shot but I can see it being justified. A disabled, cripple, elderly person, same thing. Its also why I stated that if this guy feared for his life, then so be it. Everybody's threshold for fear and confrontation is different. Shooting an unarmed man is the very last situation I would ever want to get myself in to and personally I would err on the side of getting my ass kicked. Videos like this are invaluable and many don't want to critique what is justified but looking for improvements in all aspects of this situation is what can make you a better armed citizen.



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[Triceracop]

The problem with this case is that one doesn't simply "get their ass kicked" while open carrying.
If the aggressor doesn't have a problem with committing an assault against someone who is open carrying, what makes you think he has a problem with shooting you with your own gun after you're out?

 

[Burdy]

The problem with this case is that one doesn't simply "get their ass kicked" while open carrying.
If the aggressor doesn't have a problem with committing an assault against someone who is open carrying, what makes you think he has a problem with shooting you with your own gun after you're out?

I agree, which is one of the many reasons why I don't open carry and haven't in probably 6 years.

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[Ken Ford]

We could go on and on about who could do what, and what ones experiences are...SMH

But the only way I can see that the victim could have avoided the situation would have been to walk out as soon as he saw the suspect in an altercation with the proprietor.
While many of you would do exactly that with no remorse, personally I couldn't.
The victim didn't engage the suspect, the suspect engaged the victim. Anyone could have walked in and I suspect that the suspect would have acted in a similar manner, and the incident probably would have turned out much worse.

Course I've never been in a situation like this.,,

 

[Triceracop]

I share that view. I just want to establish that people who choose to open carry will view and react to situations differently from those of us who choose to carry concealed.
I think this is also the core misunderstanding that the media has about police shootings of unarmed civilians who are assaulting them (since street cops are required to carry openly)