Virginia woman admits buying 31 handguns in two weeks

[Bryan]

The qustion is when does a hoby become a businss and I think if you sell gun,s every week it,s no longer a hoby it,s a business. Some of you will not agree with this but if you make money every week selling firearm,s you are runing a business.

This is another good reason for the "trade only" Much harder to make the "for Profit" argument.

 

[Grub Master]

I wonder if she has a "hope and change" bumper sticker..

 

[dougiemac]

Thanks friend, been saying this for a while but everybody thinks that "these are my personal guns" are a valid "excuse" for buying a reselling.

Amen.

Since Sandy Hook, I've sold only two guns and traded one: a $425 Glock and a $120 Mosin - both at or below the price I paid for them.

 

[titanhank]

maybe i am just a selfish old bastard, but i have never sold a gun, even one i didn't like after getting it. i just can't to seem to part with anything.

 

[Lockout]

I am glad she knew better

 

[jcountry]

"Profit" is only one component of the definition. And the phrase used is "principal objective of livelihood and profit." It is part of the definition of operating as a business without a license. The multiple sales seems to be a much grayer area (that is not clearly defined, but the term "profit" is much clearer.)

(If "profit" were the only component they looked at, there is no way anyone could ever sell an inherited gun or one which was gifted to them.) That is clearly not the case.

And look "this term shall not include....Person who makes occasional sales....or who sells all or part of his personal collection."

*I am not a lawyer, but I don't see "profit" as what brought this lady down. Maybe she did more than "occasional sales," but "profit" is not what people should be focusing on here.

ATF's definition of "engaged in business:"

The term “engaged in the business,” as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

(This ain't legal advice, but read this for yourself. "Profit" alone should not prohibit people from selling guns-the way I read this.)

 

[Stevebob]

I thought it was 5 per year

 

[chucklenut]

So scalping and selling frenzied at inflated prices do have consequences aside from being a douche

 

[jcountry]

I thought it was 5 per year

There is no specific number that I'm aware of. I have heard all sorts of numbers, but have never been able to find one in ATF documents. I think they leave it open to interpretation. (If there were a specific number, it would be difficult to sell a large collection-even to a dealer.)

 

[Bryan]

The crime was not in the making of the profit. It was not even in the number of guns she bought and sold. The crime was that profit was the motivation for the purchases and sales. Why you buy and sell is what distinguishes the hobbyist from the dealer.