Vote!

[SSDawg]

SSDawg^ Many liberals voted against the amendments. Stop polarizing support for the Second Amendment with the childish insults and senseless generalizations. Without liberal support many of the amendments would have passed.

We need all the help we can muster.

HGUNHNTR......you are correct. My emotions got the best of me and may have taken away from the point I was trying to make.

 

[GeauxLSU]

The Libtards lose......and big thanks to our local boys for growing a pair and voting the way the people they represent wanted them to.The Obama speech after the vote made me ill. Trotting the Father of a child lost in the Sandy Hook incident up before him to use as a human prop was classless (but, that is what he does). I guess he needs to get with his Hollywood buddies and work on the theatrics a little more. Then, our Daddy-O proceeds to scold the Senate like an angry father dressing down a 10 year old. Gee, so sorry you did get what you wanted.......wait it's not about you.....it's about the American people and the grand piece of paper that you seem to want to wipe your a$$ with......the very same one that most of us hold dear to our hearts and truly believe IS the law of the land. He then accuses the Senate for voting the way they did for fear of not getting elected again. Hey, you dumb-a$$.....that is what they are supposed to do.....that and uphold the Constitution. Every vote they cast SHOULD be seen as vote for the people they represent. If you don't vote the way those who you represent want you to, you SHOULD not get elected again. That's what a democracy is......but our socialist POTUS doesn't seem to understand.

Well, you're right.

- - - Updated - - -

SSDawg^ Many liberals voted against the amendments. Stop polarizing support for the Second Amendment with the childish insults and senseless generalizations. Without liberal support many of the amendments would have passed.

We need all the help we can muster.

And if not for liberals we wouldn't be having this fight over a constitutionally guaranteed right in the first place.

 

[Laufen]

HGUNHNTR......you are correct. My emotions got the best of me and may have taken away from the point I was trying to make.

LOL, I've done the same thing. One thing that has come to light through all of this debate is the need bipartisan support for gun rights. Conservatives aren't going to be able to keep the wolves at bay alone. That said, it's imperative not to make this into a two party issue while simultaneously pushing away liberal support for the most entertaining of amendments.

 

[Laufen]

Well, you're right.

- - - Updated - - -

And if not for liberals we wouldn't be having this fight over a constitutionally guaranteed right in the first place.

So the answer is demonizing anyone that claims to be liberal regardless their stance on the Second Amendment?

You'd be unwilling to accept support for gun rights because of a political label?

You seriously could benefit from a less polarized political view.

 

[sinac84]

I think I might go buy a gun today just to celebrate....

 

[Laufen]

I think I might go buy a gun today just to celebrate....

I wish I could.

 

[sinac84]

Been wanting another browning buckmark....

 

[GeauxLSU]

So the answer is demonizing anyone that claims to be liberal regardless their stance on the Second Amendment?

You'd be unwilling to accept support for gun rights because of a political label?

You seriously could benefit from a less polarized political view.

No, I'm making a general statement. The miniscule number of exceptions can't be addressed every single time or conversations become impossible. In general, liberals are gun grabbers. Not in general, but in reality, they are the ones behind anti 2A legislation. You disagree with any of those statements? You could also SERIOUSLY benefit form a more objective view of your own party and their stated desires.

2012 Democratic Party Platform: on Gun Control

Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few. Source: 2012 Democratic Party Platform Sep 4, 2012

 

[Laufen]

No, I'm making a general statement. The miniscule number of exceptions can't be addressed every single time or conversations become impossible. In general, liberals are gun grabbers. Not in general, but in reality, they are the ones behind anti 2A legislation. You disagree with any of those statements? You could also SERIOUSLY benefit form a more objective view of your own party and their stated desires.

2012 Democratic Party Platform: on Gun Control

Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few. Source: 2012 Democratic Party Platform Sep 4, 2012

I don't disagree with that at all. That is the agenda of MOST liberal politicians.

Would you agree that, in the future, bipartisan support for gun rights will be imperative? I do. I also understand how accepting self proclaimed Liberals that are also gun enthusiasts into the fold is very beneficial for turning the tide of opposition to gun rights. As a person that has many liberal friends, I have been especially fortunate to have conversations that have produced real and meaningful changes in their ideology towards firearms. A conservative would be hard pressed to get that type of traction in my opinion. There is a whole sub-culture of Liberal gun enthusiasts that need to be welcomed and not ostracized. It's great for our rights, it's great for the sport, and it's an incredible insurance policy against future degradation of Second Amendment rights.

Chest thumping and spouting politically flavored derogatory names only succeeds in deepening the divide and will eventually polarize the issue enough that our rights will be truly threatened. How long until the majority of voters are Liberal leaning?

Do you agree?

 

[sinac84]

No, I'm making a general statement. The miniscule number of exceptions can't be addressed every single time or conversations become impossible. In general, liberals are gun grabbers. Not in general, but in reality, they are the ones behind anti 2A legislation. You disagree with any of those statements? You could also SERIOUSLY benefit form a more objective view of your own party and their stated desires.

2012 Democratic Party Platform: on Gun Control

Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few. Source: 2012 Democratic Party Platform Sep 4, 2012

^ none of which will actually help anything. Criminals don't abide by the laws. Only good citizens abide by laws. An armed society is a polite society.... I wonder how many gun crimes can be tracked back lack of background checks or the gun show loophole? Probably none.