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[hikingthehills]

I guess I've identified the value of the 5% that are not "gun grabbers". Why the insistence on creating a political divide? Why not keep it about those that value gun rights and those that do not?

Guess what. You've fallen for their plan. The plan to deeply politicize the issue. Wanna guess which population is older, Conservatives or Liberals? Take a guess....

Do you think that could negatively affect our ability to defend gun rights in the future?
Do you think it might be a good idea to bring as much Liberal support to the gun rights debate as possible?
Or is it just fun to call people libtards because it's easy and doesn't take any thought. Not that YOU have, but plenty do.

5% is not good gambling odds!

 

[bc]

HG,
If you expect the gun community at large to worry about offending the miniscule percentage of 2A supporting liberals... well.... I don't know what to say. Liberalism is an enemy to our Constitution and this country and clearly our 2nd amendment. The fact there are anomalies like yourself doesn't change those facts. In 2008 you voted for an anti gun president, the one who acted like a child last night in front of the nation (and world) as he was once again reminded he is not king. What can I say? Yes I'm glad you are pro 2A. The fact you are a liberal, still makes you and your kind a danger to the 2nd amendment because you vote into power those trying to destroy it. I guess you can attempt to make it more nuanced than that, but in the end, it's not.

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Another one who hates the children I see....

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

 

[GeauxLSU]

1) I guess I've identified the value of the 5% that are not "gun grabbers". Why the insistence on creating a political divide? Why not keep it about those that value gun rights and those that do not?

2) Guess what. You've fallen for their plan. The plan to deeply politicize the issue. Wanna guess which population is older, Conservatives or Liberals? Take a guess....

3) Do you think that could negatively affect our ability to defend gun rights in the future?
4) Do you think it might be a good idea to bring as much Liberal support to the gun rights debate as possible?
5) Or is it just fun to call people libtards because it's easy and doesn't take any thought. Not that YOU have, but plenty do.

1) You know what would be more valuable to the 2A? No elected liberals. If you need people to not label the anti 2A crowd as liberal because 5% of liberals aren't anti 2A ... good luck with that. If that 5% gets so hiney hurt because they are called 'liberal' and change their 2A stance, well..... that sort of speaks for their true beliefs doesn't it?
2) Conservative thought, in general, is held by an aging population. Probably because they've been around long enough to see the consequences of an ever 'progressing' society and seen the results of socialism world wide.
3) Liberalism and the politicians they elect are the only things affecting our ability to own guns in the future.
4) I think it would be better to politically crush liberals' agenda (as was done in some measure yesterday).
5) You'll have to take it up with the others who've done what you decry to explain their motivation. When I use the term, it's because it's an accurate description of the mindset being discussed.

 

[Laufen]

1) You know what would be more valuable to the 2A? No elected liberals. If you need people to not label the anti 2A crowd as liberal because 5% of liberals aren't anti 2A ... good luck with that. If that 5% gets so hiney hurt because they are called 'liberal' and change their 2A stance, well..... that sort of speaks for their true beliefs doesn't it?
2) Conservative thought, in general, is held by an aging population. Probably because they've been around long enough to see the consequences of an ever 'progressing' society and seen the results of socialism world wide.
3) Liberalism and the politicians they elect are the only things affecting our ability to own guns in the future.
4) I think it would be better to politically crush liberals' agenda (as was done in some measure yesterday).
5) You'll have to take it up with the others who've done what you decry to explain their motivation. When I use the term, it's because it's an accurate description of the mindset being discussed.

You didn't answer a single question. You simply stated wishes that you would like to have granted.

See what I mean about binaries? You did it yet again. No Liberals elected? The fact is we live in the real world. It's complicated, and complex.

Does the whole "shall not be infringed" thing seem to be keeping people from trying? Does it seem wise to garner as much bipartisan support as possible?

What bad could come from welcoming more liberals into the shooting sports? Minorities? Women? Seems like a tremendous opportunity to steal votes away from gun grabbers to me. If we don't adapt we will perish, simple as that. Then we can all wipe our collective asses with what's left of our Amendments.

 

[TxBoyX2]

Ohhhh. I leave for a bit, and it gets interesting in here.

 

[Aegis]

You didn't answer a single question. You simply stated wishes that you would like to have granted.

See what I mean about binaries? You did it yet again. No Liberals elected? The fact is we live in the real world. It's complicated, and complex.

Does the whole "shall not be infringed" thing seem to be keeping people from trying? Does it seem wise to garner as much bipartisan support as possible?

What bad could come from welcoming more liberals into the shooting sports? Minorities? Women? Seems like a tremendous opportunity to steal votes away from gun grabbers to me. If we don't adapt we will perish, simple as that. Then we can all wipe our collective asses with what's left of our Amendments.

Id rather convert the liberals away from liberalism. Help them understand that they don't know whats best for me and mine. That I do not want/need their help with my day to day life. Help them understand that the idealistic view they have is only achieved through FORCE. That their methods of charity are achieved through theft, True Charity is given freely.

I want them to understand the out of control spending is unsustainable.

I want them most of all to understand that we are NOT part of their or any social collective save those we willfully choose to subject ourselves to. Family and Friends... not the entire World/Country.

 

[Laufen]

Id rather convert the liberals away from liberalism. Help them understand that they don't know whats best for me and mine. That I do not want/need their help with my day to day life. Help them understand that the idealistic view they have is only achieved through FORCE. That their methods of charity are achieved through theft, True Charity is given freely.

I want them to understand the out of control spending is unsustainable.

I want them most of all to understand that we are NOT part of their or any social collective save those we willfully choose to subject ourselves to. Family and Friends... not the entire World/Country.

Well that's at least logical. Here's a hint from a Liberal: The best way to do that is incrementally...guns would be a great gateway right? See where I'm going with this?

 

[Petro_58]

Id rather convert the liberals away from liberalism. Help them understand that they don't know whats best for me and mine. That I do not want/need their help with my day to day life. Help them understand that the idealistic view they have is only achieved through FORCE. That their methods of charity are achieved through theft, True Charity is given freely.

I want them to understand the out of control spending is unsustainable.

I want them most of all to understand that we are NOT part of their or any social collective save those we willfully choose to subject ourselves to. Family and Friends... not the entire World/Country.

Liberals

 

[GeauxLSU]

Id rather convert the liberals away from liberalism. Help them understand that they don't know whats best for me and mine. That I do not want/need their help with my day to day life. Help them understand that the idealistic view they have is only achieved through FORCE. That their methods of charity are achieved through theft, True Charity is given freely.

I want them to understand the out of control spending is unsustainable.

I want them most of all to understand that we are NOT part of their or any social collective save those we willfully choose to subject ourselves to. Family and Friends... not the entire World/Country.

Me too. But I don't think any of us can live long enough to accomplish that. Freedom hater to freedom lover is a LONG road for liberals. Even for those liberals that like things that go bang.

 

[Aegis]

Me too. But I don't think any of us can live long enough to accomplish that. Freedom hater to freedom lover is a LONG road for liberals. Even for those liberals that like things that go bang.

ive found its MUCH easier to push them to Libertarianism, rather than trying to strongarm them into Republican ideals(even goldwater republican ideals).
my points above, framed carefully have helped convince several of my formerly democratic voting friends that maybe the emotional ideals they were backing, only look good at a glance, and logically fail to do the good they so espouse.
Its also much easier to persuade them on fiscal issues than attempting to tackle poisonous social issues. the Poisonous social issues are what has the country more divisive and distracted than its been in my lifetime. Our Divider in Chief and his cronies have done an amazing job.