Yes but can they kill one at 850 with one shot? That's point I am trying to make. Imagine you're in a stand over a enormous feed plot. You are about 550 out from a non typical down tine beauty that just poked his head out for a minute to scope the joint for some doe coin slot. Now what would you rather have a 24 caliber with tiny projectile or a 6.5 with a twice the sectional density and a ton more ft.lbs of energy. You have to really think about the what if moments in life.Only women and children can kill deer with a .243