Who has flown with firearm?

[Robroyb]

Check with your airline.

That won't help you in NY City. Even the TSA didn't get it right. I'm gonna try to share this vid from my fb. Hope it works, it's worth watching.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...7548474116&ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_activity

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[OFace12]

I'm 100% going nowhere near New York. That would be a legal nightmare with the slightest error on my part.


I just got off of the phone with Delta, and they confirmed that the ammo CAN be in the same locked case as the firearm. There was something that they couldn't answer for me though. Maybe someone here can. I obviously know that the firearm must be unloaded when declaring/checking. Is there any rules against the firearm have an EMPTY magazine inserted? It is still technically an unloaded firearm, isn't it? Just making sure before I start cutting my foam in my Pelican 1170 that I have stashed in the basement that I've never used. Delta advised me to call TSA directly to ask for clarification.

 

[Hayata]

I've never traveled with a pistol but back in the day I kept the empty mag in my rifle.

 

[Bubbado52]

The declaration is only to ensure the weapon is unloaded. The signed declaration goes inside the bag with said firearm. The air carrier does not document the firearm any further. Therefore, the firearm is traveling incognito in just another checked bag not drawing any attention to it. That is also why the bag comes out on the carousel at the destination city with the other bags.

 

[FLdeepdiver]

To be clear, ammunition can be transported in the same locked case as the firearm. It must be in a case of some sort: factory boxes or MTM plastic boxes.

Additionally, mags cannot be loaded AND loose in the locked case. Loaded mags are okay in another “case” like a magazine sleeve such as Tuff Products inline series. I have had great success with this method, however I line the bottom of my hard case with empty factory boxes (with foam trays) just in case a baggage clerk makes a fuss. I travel with several handguns for multiple persons in my party, having mags loaded with defensive rounds speeds ready up.

IMPORTANT:
You must provide your own PERSONAL locks, and carry a spare set. Do not use TSA locks. Never give your key to anyone, no matter how much they insist. ATL airport is a breeze, but many airports do not let you view the inspection process, relying on x-ray. This can lead to a impromptu “inspection” with the bag in a secure area, and you in another. They may request the keys for inspection, but you cannot comply with this request. They must bring the bag to you, or you to them. Barring either of those options, they can cut the locks. That’s were the second set comes in, allowing you to provide additional locks (without keys) for compliance with TSA rules requiring locked transport of firearms.

In airports with infrequent civilian transport of firearms, they often do not have systems in place facilitating customer compliance. But federal regulations always trump airport cronies, and they are known to call LEO’s and ATF on themselves.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

 

[FLdeepdiver]

Empty mags are fine in the firearm.

I chamber flag all mine. They fit better in cases, and reduce them having to be handled.

 

[Robroyb]

After watching John Stossel in that link I posted above, I wouldn't trust anything TSA or Delta says. I would go to the farthest lengths especially if traveling into an unfriendly state or city like NY. The people jailed in NY were completely within their legal rights, yet it still cost them time, hassle, and money.

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[Bubbado52]

This pretty much sums it up:

Transporting Firearms and Ammunition

You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.

Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage.

Firearms

• When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
• If you are traveling internationally with a firearm in checked baggage, please check the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website for information and requirements prior to travel.
• Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
• Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations.
• Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
• Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.

United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, firearm definitions includes: any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; and any destructive device. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm.

Ammunition

• Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
• Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).
• Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm.

 

[gh1950]

Let me add one thing, I (idiot) several years ago made the mistake of having a few new unopened pmags in a back pack (carry on).

Do not do this! Repeat Do not do this! No one will be happy especially you.

Nothing , magazine, casing, bullet (projectile) sight, hammer , trigger etc can be in your carry on.

One exception (I think) is an optic.

You should hear sporting clays shooter bitch when their choke tubes create an issue. The tubes are 2" pieces of pipe anyway you look at it. But because they are "gun related" they are a no go.

 

[gh1950]

Is it a crime to disassemble it and not declare it in a checked bag?

yes, same rules as shipping it.