I am not trying to be a knowitall, but i do this for a living, we are not a bad name gun store.( shooters ) but i have listed a complete pistol lower as a handgun on a 4473, as per our store sop.other stores may do it diffrent ( stripped lower ). But on a complete pistol lower , parts kit installed, buffer tube installed it is a pistol lower unless you change the buffer tube. Again sorry for the hijack on the other post.
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The highlighted part is the most important ........ COMPLETED. A stripped lower is a stripped lower and it is listed on the 4473 as a receiver. BUT you can take the COMPLETED pistol lower and put a stock on it and turn that into a rifle and it is now a rifle and cannot go back to being a pistol.
fellas, next time make a thread like this one. Do not debate things like that in someones ad. I know you guys are trying to help but there is a place for such debates. A WTB ad is not one of them. Carry on. If someone could please shine some actual facts about this subject, that would be great.
Ever since they changed the Form 4473 in 2008, ATF has required all FFLs to list stripped lowers as "Other Firearm (Frame, Receiver, etc.)", even if the buyer is planning to build a rifle out of it.
hey outsy, is there any actual ATF rules that you can copy and paste about all this? Id like to see an end and actual facts to this debate. It even has me not knowing what to believe!
Let me look around and see what I can come up with out there available to copy and paste or a link to be able to put up.
Keep this in mind, unless it is built into a pistol configuarion without a stock, or built into a rifle configuration with a stock how is it anything more than simply a receiver. An FFL isnt transferring a rifle nor is he transferring a pistol, he is transferring a receiver.
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Thank you sir.
that answers that dont it. Good ol ATF. Thank you very much outsy. So , when your asked while filling out the form you must say if its going to be a pistol or a rifle though correct? I know when I bought mine i was asked that.
They can ask but you dont have to say a word, its none of their business. The OLD 4473 could be filled out differently. BUT the down side is that now you must be 21 to buy a stripped receiver. And you cant buy a stripped lower out of state, because it is not a rifle or shotgun. A stripped receiver is a receiver, its a gun, but its not a shotgun, a rifle or a pistol.
And that was the point that I was trying to make. A receiver is a receiver, if its stripped then it is neither a pistol nor a rifle. And there is no such a thing as a pistol lower, even if its marked "PISTOL", it means nothing in the eyes of the AFT. When it is transferred to the individual from a dealer it is transferred as a receiver.
Now if it is built into a pistol configuration with just a buffer tube, THEN it can be transferred as a pistol. But if you are buying a stripped receiver you can build it into whatever because it simply is considered just a receiver.
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