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"Engaged in business" BATFE PDF.
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Took the sleaziest lawyers the feds could come up with to write them. Basically all gun owners are dealers and criminals and give up their rights to not have their doors kicks in, dogs shot , property destroyed and families traumatized and face imprisonment for any reason they create but you have the right to appeal all of it after the damage is done
I think I'm going to take all my listings down. I don't trust anybody nowadays. Firearms are a hobby to me not a business. I sell so I can buy something else. Simple as that.
it read it means you better have a bill of sale or else.
No need to worry about your stuff. Keep on doing what you want.
Injunction! Engaged in the business rule
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No need to worry about your stuff. Keep on doing what you want.
Injunction! Engaged in the business rule
Even better: Yesterday's SCOTUS ruling in the Loper case now calls a lot of federal rule making into question. That recent ATF rule may get entirely hollowed out in the next case involving any of the new rules.
Basically, the court said, "it's not up to federal agencies to interpret laws and extend them based on that interpretation. The judiciary interprets laws and the legislature makes laws."
ATF's authority just got reigned way in. It will be a slow motion rollback, because of the various lawsuits and appeals that will now challenge everything they've written, but they literally no longer have a leg to stand on when it comes to creative rule making.
I'm not sure people understand how important yesterday's Loper decision is. Which is ironic, because apparently, when the Chevron case it overturns was decided 40+ years ago, nobody realized it would become one of the most potent mechanisms by which individual liberty would be curtailed, via the Federal Register.
The now-overturned Chevron precedent was the basis for a huge expansion of deep state power via the Federal Code of Regulations, and the endless and inane rulemaking that has taken place since the 1980s. Every silly bump stock ban, string is a machine gun, your pond is a navigable waterway bull**** rule, multiplied by EPA, DOJ, DOE, DOA, FAA, DOC, pretty much every federal department with bureaucrats with nothing better to do than **** with the lives of ordinary Americans...no more. Congress makes the laws that put people in jail or fines them. Not some third rate pencil pusher in a cubicle in D.C.
The feds literally used the Chevron precedent as a basis to steamroll and crush people, in ways never perceived when that decision was made.
The now-overturned Chevron precedent was the basis for a huge expansion of deep state power via the Federal Code of Regulations, and the endless and inane rulemaking that has taken place since the 1980s. Every silly bump stock ban, string is a machine gun, your pond is a navigable waterway bull**** rule, multiplied by EPA, DOJ, DOE, DOA, FAA, DOC, pretty much every federal department with bureaucrats with nothing better to do than **** with the lives of ordinary Americans...no more. Congress makes the laws that put people in jail or fines them. Not some third rate pencil pusher in a cubicle in D.C.
The feds literally used the Chevron precedent as a basis to steamroll and crush people, in ways never perceived when that decision was made.
I just did a deal with a guy from Alabama but his phone number was a Wyoming area code. First time I have felt the need to ask for someone's license to verify they're a Alabama resident so I verified. He asked when he got here "How do you want to do this?" I said what do you mean? He said "Do you take Venmo" and some other kind of hogwash.
I said I only take cash so he went to the ATM I GUESS and came back with cash.
I when he came back explained I have 2500 dollars in the rifle with everything on it including the 250 rounds of factory ammunition. I explained to him that I buy sell and trade firearms strictly as a hobby which is what it is to me. A hobby.
EDIT: I sold the firearm for 1200 dollars. So at a loss. Just so I could buy another firearm. #Hobby
I told Him nowadays with the new BATFE ruling I don't trust anyone anymore.
Meanwhile a work truck pulled up and parked on the street. I noticed the truck he was driving was a rental from a local dealership. Bill Penny toyota. So I asked him why he was driving a rental and he said his truck has been in the shop for a year.
I knew his phone number was a Wyoming area code so I asked him what he does for work in Huntsville. He said he works for Blue Origin. I asked what that was and he replied it is Jeff Bezos space company.
We talked a little more and he handed me the cash which I didn't bother to count because it was all 20s.
The work truck left while we were talking and we shook hands and I said I hope you get a nice elk with that rifle and he said thanks and was on his way.
Was a very strange transaction that just felt off. You guys be careful out there and mind your Ps and Qs because you can't trust anyone anymore.
I said I only take cash so he went to the ATM I GUESS and came back with cash.
I when he came back explained I have 2500 dollars in the rifle with everything on it including the 250 rounds of factory ammunition. I explained to him that I buy sell and trade firearms strictly as a hobby which is what it is to me. A hobby.
EDIT: I sold the firearm for 1200 dollars. So at a loss. Just so I could buy another firearm. #Hobby
I told Him nowadays with the new BATFE ruling I don't trust anyone anymore.
Meanwhile a work truck pulled up and parked on the street. I noticed the truck he was driving was a rental from a local dealership. Bill Penny toyota. So I asked him why he was driving a rental and he said his truck has been in the shop for a year.
I knew his phone number was a Wyoming area code so I asked him what he does for work in Huntsville. He said he works for Blue Origin. I asked what that was and he replied it is Jeff Bezos space company.
We talked a little more and he handed me the cash which I didn't bother to count because it was all 20s.
The work truck left while we were talking and we shook hands and I said I hope you get a nice elk with that rifle and he said thanks and was on his way.
Was a very strange transaction that just felt off. You guys be careful out there and mind your Ps and Qs because you can't trust anyone anymore.
