I will have to check one of those Nikons out then. Yeah Leupold always delivers even in their not so expensive scopes.ya, the Mark AR series is (to me) just under the glass quality of a Mark 4 leupold. for under half the price lol. i do really want to find a nikon M308 4-16 to look through and see the quality though. only other scope im considering right now, but want to see it before i buy it. i have no problem ordering Leupolds online cause i know the quality will be excellent, anything else i want to see before i buy.