Thought I had bought a beautiful set of grips but was unknowingly going to get a set that would not fit my 686 and Midnite Flame set me straight and caught my mistake and refunded me lickety split. The world could use a lot more like him and I sure hope our paths cross again. Super knowledgeable about S & W and I am thankful to have had the experience. Is a credit to the ODT ranks and a rare breed !!! A ++