Ar question

[bluebottle]

I have some 75 grain Hornady bullets, I've had them for several years. My 1/8 and 1/9 shoot em' fine. I just don't ever shoot much of anything over 62-64 grains.

If 1/7 is so great, why doesn't everyone use it. It certainly cost no more to make a 1/7 barrel than it does a 1/9 , 1/12 or any other rate of twist.

The 1/9 works great for 40 grain varmint bullets and everything else I shoot in .223. If I want to shoot anything that a 1/9 won't stabilize, I'll shoot another caliber. I don't get the fascination with 1/7 barrels.

The AR is a military driven platform. The military typically uses 1:7.

1:7 helps to maximize the potential of a small caliber anti-personnel round when the appropriate ammunition is used at certain distances through certain rifles.

Intended use of the AR is important and will dictate the appropriate twist. Civilian use may be much different than the military, but not all civilians shoot varmints with specialty varmint loads.

A 16 inch chrome lined, light/m4/gov't profile barreled AR is not a varmint gun.

Stepping up to another caliber in the AR means nonstandard parts and/or much increased expense.

I'll take 1:7 if given the choice. 1:9 isn't a deal breaker though.

 

[Chuckdog]

Yea, I know this stuff.

If you're buying at wally world odds are you ain't into shootin anti tank rounds?

Many post I see are concerning the cheapest ammo that can be found? Most of which is likely stubby 55 grain flat based bullets that any 1/12 will shoot fine.

If I were going to shoot in long range service rifle matches, I'd likely get the faster twist for shooting the longer slimline boat tail 90 grainers? But I ain't likely to do that with a rifle that I didn't buildup myself?

If I were going to get a can, and load subsonic, I'd likely go with the faster rate for making it easier to get the .223 down below 1100fps and still have some umph? If I was loading subsonics, I'd likely have the same heavy projectiles loaded full steam too.

I ain't considering this either?

I'm not knocking the 1/7 at all. For those that are going to truly benefit from it, it's the way to go!
The only point I'm getting at is this fascination so many have with the rate of twist that are going to shoot the cheapest 55 grain ammo they can find.

Most people I know use them for small game, varmint, and predator hunting. I load a lot of 40 grain Vmax bullets, some are pushing 3700 fps. I have one friend that swears by the 35 grainers. I've not witnessed bullet blowups from the faster twist, but I've experience some terrible accuracy using these hyper velocity rounds in the 1/7 barrels.

It's about application. It's hard to have one rifle in any 22 cal for all applications.
Many people that bought the 1/7 and are disappointed when it ain't very accurate with varmint loads give me the same answer when I asked why they bought the 1/7? It's what the military uses and the guys on the internet said the 1/7's are the real deal. The experts at the gunshop told me the faster the better, those 1/9 AR's are wannabe's.

I'm not trying to be augmentative, quite the contrary. I'm only trying to get people to think about "their application for the rifle", not the military's application for it.

If you've taken the time to read all this, may God bless you! You're one tough individual!

Thanks' CD.

 

[Bear44]

Yea, I know this stuff.

If you're buying at wally world odds are you ain't into shootin anti tank rounds?

Many post I see are concerning the cheapest ammo that can be found? Most of which is likely stubby 55 grain flat based bullets that any 1/12 will shoot fine.

If I were going to shoot in long range service rifle matches, I'd likely get the faster twist for shooting the longer slimline boat tail 90 grainers? But I ain't likely to do that with a rifle that I didn't buildup myself?

If I were going to get a can, and load subsonic, I'd likely go with the faster rate for making it easier to get the .223 down below 1100fps and still have some umph? If I was loading subsonics, I'd likely have the same heavy projectiles loaded full steam too.

I ain't considering this either?

I'm not knocking the 1/7 at all. For those that are going to truly benefit from it, it's the way to go!
The only point I'm getting at is this fascination so many have with the rate of twist that are going to shoot the cheapest 55 grain ammo they can find.

Most people I know use them for small game, varmint, and predator hunting. I load a lot of 40 grain Vmax bullets, some are pushing 3700 fps. I have one friend that swears by the 35 grainers. I've not witnessed bullet blowups from the faster twist, but I've experience some terrible accuracy using these hyper velocity rounds in the 1/7 barrels.

It's about application. It's hard to have one rifle in any 22 cal for all applications.
Many people that bought the 1/7 and are disappointed when it ain't very accurate with varmint loads give me the same answer when I asked why they bought the 1/7? It's what the military uses and the guys on the internet said the 1/7's are the real deal. The experts at the gunshop told me the faster the better, those 1/9 AR's are wannabe's.

I'm not trying to be augmentative, quite the contrary. I'm only trying to get people to think about "their application for the rifle", not the military's application for it.

If you've taken the time to read all this, may God bless you! You're one tough individual!

Thanks' CD.

Read it and agree with every word of it. It's all about intended application. The only reason I'll get the 1/7 in the future is because I'm a long range guy. If you're interested in being able to adapt to the most bullet selections and aren't interested in 900 yard plus shooting the 1/9 is the way to go because it WILL shoot the light pills.