All the more reason to scream your lungs out for him to drop it before shooting. You have both given the shooter a chance to drop it, and you've identified yourself as a good guy.
What if the shooter is another good guy?
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Armed citizens and active killers. Things to consider...
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What if the shooter is another good guy?
That was my whole point. I'm exiting the situation. I used to get paid to be the hero, now I'm gonna break contact and protect whoever is with me on my way outta there, unless it's clear as day dead to rights Chinese chest rig wearing Muz.
Another note, as a plain clothed civilian carrier is screaming commands at me, why should I listen to you to drop my weapon? I don't know you, perps can be smart enough to play good guy. Just move your loved ones away from the situation and shoot anyone who attempts to engage you fleeing with your loved ones. Clearly if it's a multi cammed out swat officer drop yo s***
To the innocents who were unlucky enough to be in the "attack zone" well...it's a little late to argue our point of CCP, they should have been carrying should have been training. To arguments about locations where ones cannot carry? Don't go there. Some people learn the hard way to stay armed and trained, some people don't live to regret it.
And if that was the shooter, who went on to take out the entire first grade class who was there on field trip....and you ran away...to be thinking ....for the rest of your life...
you may be right
I'd live with it brother, I've made some damned hard calls in my career, however I also mentioned, if I weren't in the immediate vicinity of the attack then I wouldn't go looking. If I saw a man pull a gun and start shooting at multiple people I'm sure it won't take long to figure out his intentions, and make that call as well, but if I hear gunshots in the close distance of where I'm at, I'm heading away from those shots. I get where you're coming from my friend, believe me I do. It's a tough nut to crack no matter how you spin it.
I talked to trained cops about the "active shooter" scenario ( meaning these officers had been trained or were themselves training officers that taught people what to do about active shooters in public places ).
They all said that they would assume every armed person who wasn't a fellow officer was the active shooter. They will assume that you are the bad guy --they will not even consider the possibility that you could be an armed Good Samaritan intervening.
However, they said that whether you're a bad guy or an armed good guy, they will first shout a command that you drop your weapon before they shoot you .
So if you hear this command, that's your last chance to save yourself.
But you'd better hear it the first time and react to it immediately .
I have a problem with that .
Haven't these people ever heard of a phenomena called auditory exclusion ?
How about tunnel vision: the good guy is focused in on the threat and not paying attention to other good guys or officers to the side or behind him.
There's a lot of possibility for things to go wrong and innocent people to get shot by cops who mistake them for bad guys.
They all said that they would assume every armed person who wasn't a fellow officer was the active shooter. They will assume that you are the bad guy --they will not even consider the possibility that you could be an armed Good Samaritan intervening.
However, they said that whether you're a bad guy or an armed good guy, they will first shout a command that you drop your weapon before they shoot you .
So if you hear this command, that's your last chance to save yourself.
But you'd better hear it the first time and react to it immediately .
I have a problem with that .
Haven't these people ever heard of a phenomena called auditory exclusion ?
How about tunnel vision: the good guy is focused in on the threat and not paying attention to other good guys or officers to the side or behind him.
There's a lot of possibility for things to go wrong and innocent people to get shot by cops who mistake them for bad guys.
I was shocked my first couple of gunfights with no ear pro in, tunnel vision, adrenaline dump, the only reason we make it through situations like that is bc tax payers dropped millions (literally) to train us for years before we get on deployment rotations. Hella live fires, stx/ftx lanes, hella shoot houses, gas chambers, force on force, simunitions etc. then when you get there and start gunfighting the only thing that brings it all together and brings you home was that training. My ears never hurt, until the engagement was over and I was RTBing, then the rings comes and the drop out DBs, but during the fight hearing is surreal and hard to explain.
The officers need to account for friendlys more or incorporate new SOP bc that's their JOB and that's reality. We coexist. War is different, friendlys are easier to ID but still, green on green, and green on blue incidents still happen. Gunfighting is a m***** f*****
