Bad Crash in Kentucky

[Nuke And Juke]

UPS grounds its fleet of MD-11's, the type of plane in Louisville crash

An investigation has been launched into the cause of the deadly Tuesday crash, which occurred as a MD-11 was taking off. FedEx said it was also grounding the planes.

www.nbcnews.com

Pilots notified. All MD 11 grounded at ups.

 

[keith089]

The Pilot was a fellow C141a crew member
Godspeed

 

[CQB27]

The Pilot was a fellow C141a crew member
Godspeed

Beyond V1 and the number 1 engine departs. He did the only thing he could.

“Lord hear us when we lift our prayer
For those in peril in the air”

 

[atljetmech]

The MD-11 is fully capable of taking off, flying, and landing with two operational engines.
It's believed a second engine was fodded out, thus losing thrust and airspeed, , as it appears they still had directional control until impact.
A sad day for the aviation community all around.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

Beyond V1 and the number 1 engine departs. He did the only thing he could.

Yep, with the only information that was likely available to him at the moment his warning lights and buzzers went off and he looked at his gauges..
.... since he was past V1 he was committed to trying to take off ...

but looking back at it,
if the crew knew how catastrophic the damage to the plane was,

THEN the best thing to do would've been slam on the brakes and overrun the pavement at the end of the runway-- that would've saved lives.

 

[keith089]

When it came apart, we have no idea if it was hanging of failure and thrust reverse deployment.
Lost a crew in Germany on a C5, I new the engineer

To many variables at the moment, I have pics of the Engine, does not look like a typical engine that has a Compressor stall or Fan coming apart

 

[keith089]

Yep, with the only information that was likely available to him at the moment his warning lights and buzzers went off and he looked at his gauges..
.... since he was past V1 he was committed to trying to take off ...

but looking back at it,
if the crew knew how catastrophic the damage to the plane was,

THEN the best thing to do would've been slam on the brakes and overrun the pavement at the end of the runway-- that would've saved lives.

The first part yes, second half needs a crystal ball. He was way past Reject, take off T handle the engine and go around

 

[keith089]

Do we know? RCR, Screenheight, some if the TRISTARS had the engine derated in thrust
When I was on KC10s the were dropped almost 10k

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

We don't need a crystal ball to know that an aborted takeoff after V1 would've been less deadly.
Crashing into a canal, a RR track bed, and then a warehouse at a speed of maybe 80 miles an hour is less likely to kill a dozen people than having a flying fireball of an aircraft hit at 160 miles an hour.

But, it's clear that a runway overrun would've resulted in at least one building being burned because this runway did not have very much grassy empty space beyond it. Some airports do.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

The news said the engine ripped off at 187 knots---that's about 212 mph.
Fast, and probably very close to rotation and climb out speed. I think the V2 for a loaded MD-11 is something like 220 mph.

I wonder how much they could've slowed that aircraft down on the remaining pavement if they had used heavy braking and thrust reversers as soon as those could be deployed.

If the landing gear got ripped off as they bounced through the canal and over the railroad track, at what ground speed would the aircraft have hit the wall of that warehouse?