Brown Hawk Industries: Soft advertising and asking for feedback

[Fallout Scavenger 2277]

There's absolutely no "hard work" involved in getting an FFL. Just time, money, and paperwork.

Look, I gave you a bit of hard time in the $400 Altoids thread, but I'm not going to troll you here. Just give you some pretty serious advice. You've already had two pretty well respected members of this community, both of whom are certified armorers, tell you that they would take you under their wing to learn a thing or two. Take them up on it!

Everything you are suggesting in this thread could get you and by extenions your family in some hot water. You don't have an FFL. You don't a have a business license. Becoming an LLC won't make any difference. If this truly is an attempt to supplement income, it couldn't be a worse decision. The AR market is circling the drain and - no disrespect - you even mentioning what you are going to produce in the same breath as Daniel Defense is laughable. You're already working two jobs. Don't make it any harder on yourself. Nobody in this community is going to pay you $1200 for an AR you built on your kitchen table when they can get a rack grade Colt or LMT for the same price.

You have the ODT in your corner. We like you...and some of us are gently implying that you're not as squared away as you think. Take the advice, hit up cmshoot or @Hood886 and pump the brakes on BrownHawk2A or whatever it is.

I understand yall are trying to help and again I'm genuinely interested in learning more gunsmithing skills from yall. As for my business, I see your points. For now I'll just focus on my own personal builds, and if someone asks me to modify an existing AR or clean and paint one, I'll just stick to that and not build them until things maybe change one day. But I am very interested in learning more from yall and do appreciate the feedback!

 

[rOmiLaYu]

and if someone asks me to modify an existing AR or clean and paint one, I'll just stick to that and not build them until things maybe change one day.

Even that can get you in trouble without an FFL.

 

[heyitsshane]

But I appreciate ur feedback. In the process of making it an LLC

You can do this in about 7 minutes on Bizee/incfile. The FFL is what you're really going to need.. being in prison puts a damper on a lot of things

 

[Fallout Scavenger 2277]

Even that can get you in trouble without an FFL.

True! I figure if I can just modify cosmetic parts to someone's existing AR I should be okay. But ill consider the pros and cons to this as well. Thank you

 

[Stampede]

Still not 100% sure this isn't another BHI trolling thread, but if not.....

If I was starting this business, these are questions I'd expect to be asked:

Why should I buy an AR built by you, without a history of building them, over one of the established sellers with a long history of building hundreds of them? You only watched some videos, so this venture sounds quite sketchy and short term.

What makes your rifle better, different or at least cheaper than the dozens of other ARs I can buy?

Do you have a secure facility to keep all these parts and assembled rifles in? Do you have a tracking system for all of the parts for each rifle build, so they don't get mixed up?

How long is your warranty? 1 year, 2 years or longer? How do I know you'll be doing this just 6 months from now if I have a problem?

What happens if you make a mistake and damage the parts I sent you? You pay for the same new parts, right?

What is your web address? I'd like to read about your company and see current and past builds. Can I see you torture test them there?

What will your profit margin be on each rifle??

Do you have a business plan? What is your companies mission statement?

I'd start by taking the AR builder courses locally as a beginning to learn the business first hand. Talk to people looking to get rifles built and learn what they want, what their priorities are, how they plan to use them and what they expect to pay for one.

Develop relationships with people so they will know you and will be willing to pay you to build them a rifle later on. Right now all I hear is promises from an unknown person with no experience in ARs.

Build a few and start a web channel and do a 5,000+ and 10,000+ rd torture test of them, to show your work holds up.

Just some things to consider...

 

[Rimfire rifleman]

A lot of good info in this thread and it seems that you just don’t get it. You can’t get these things as you build your business, you need them before you start business as you are putting yourself at great risk if you don’t. I wouldn’t concentrate solely on ARs there’s already market saturation of people who have a lot of experience, if you really want to be an armorer learn to repair most all guns and take advantage of any and all opportunities to work with others. YouTube videos do not qualify you as an armorer of anything.

Be very careful trying to advertise or sell at your job at the gun store, that is disrespectful to your employer and your job there may be short lived. No one will pay you to take business from them.

 

[Moondog1]

But as mentioned before, I searched all over the internet to find the best prices for each part. I want the ARs I build to be as affordable as possible! Customers can also buy these parts from local stores if they'd prefer. But again, I plan to use parts that aren't stupid or unnecessary, but still having the build have a certain esthetic and being affordable

Check out this guy for Aero parts.
Most of the time this guy has cheaper prices on Aero than they have for most of their lower volume dealers.

https://www.schuylerarmsco.com/manufacturer.aero-precision-993

 

[Fallout Scavenger 2277]

Check out this guy for Aero parts.
Most of the time this guy has cheaper prices on Aero than they have for most of their lower volume dealers.

https://www.schuylerarmsco.com/manufacturer.aero-precision-993

Thank you.

 

[alexs2006]

There's absolutely no "hard work" involved in getting an FFL. Just time, money, and paperwork.

Look, I gave you a bit of hard time in the $400 Altoids thread, but I'm not going to troll you here. Just give you some pretty serious advice. You've already had two pretty well respected members of this community, both of whom are certified armorers, tell you that they would take you under their wing to learn a thing or two. Take them up on it!

Everything you are suggesting in this thread could get you - and by extension, your family - in some hot water. You don't have an FFL. You don't a have a business license. Becoming an LLC won't make any difference. If this truly is an attempt to supplement income, it couldn't be a worse decision. The AR market is circling the drain and - no disrespect - you even mentioning what you are going to produce in the same breath as Daniel Defense is laughable. You're already working two jobs. Don't make it any harder on yourself. Nobody in this community is going to pay you $1200 for an AR you built on your kitchen table when they can get a rack grade Colt or LMT for the same price.

You have the ODT in your corner. We like you...and some of us are gently implying that you're not as squared away as you think. Take the advice, hit up cmshoot or @Hood886 and pump the brakes on BrownHawk2A or whatever it is.

Dude hit the nail on the head... You could not have gotten more realistic advice from anyone else..

Let's not forget with an FFL comes Liability insurance and let me tell you it isn't cheap.....

 

[9BarSolutions]

Before you say you are an operational business you should probably learn the necessary steps to becoming a legit business. Such as registering with the Secretary of State.