Customer tried to steal a handgun and run out the door

[Retired Army]

You made Breitbart!!!! International news now!!!

Woman Gets Body-Slammed in Store While Allegedly Trying to Steal Pistol

A woman entered Marietta, Georgia's, TruPrep and allegedly tried to steal a pistol but was body-slammed by an employee before she could exit.

www.breitbart.com

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

I’ve been in LE for 30 years. Ain’t my first slam, and won’t be my last. I’m a Use of Force Instructor, and know exactly what I can and can’t do.

Yeah, but use of force standards are different when you're acting as a private citizen, or a business manager, or a security guard who is not LEO / not on duty. No qualified immunity.

The regular rules for justified use of force in defense of self or others do apply, and Georgia also has a special law about detaining shoplifters and it specifically mentions that any use of force in detaining them must be reasonable and believed to be necessary for the purpose of effectively detaining them.

Meaning, if you don't use that much force, then they realistically could get away.

See OCGA 17-4-80 - Limited detention by certain private individuals...​

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

I wonder how the law would consider the fact that this woman was an armed shoplifter running away with a gun in her hand.

(Does that change the legal analysis?)
But it was an unloaded gun,
and I presume that everybody involved knew that.

 

[shootsacanon]

In the moment, there's no telling if she had loaded it as she was running with her back to them. Foolish to presume it's unloaded.

 

[cmshoot]

Yeah, but use of force standards are different when you're acting as a private citizen, or a business manager, or a security guard who is not LEO / not on duty. No qualified immunity.

The regular rules for justified use of force in defense of self or others do apply, and Georgia also has a special law about detaining shoplifters and it specifically mentions that any use of force in detaining them must be reasonable and believed to be necessary for the purpose of effectively detaining them.

Meaning, if you don't use that much force, then they realistically could get away.

See OCGA 17-4-80 - Limited detention by certain private individuals...​

Yes, I am quite aware of the difference between LE and civilians standards for justifiable Use of Force. As you may remember, having attended at least ONE of my courses, I also teach civilians. Amongst the topics that I cover with civilian students is UoF.

 

[Just Plain Bill]

If you don't have Facebook, here's the money shot.

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[Bypass]

I wonder how the law would consider the fact that this woman was an armed shoplifter running away with a gun in her hand.

(Does that change the legal analysis?)
But it was an unloaded gun,
and I presume that everybody involved knew that.

No firearm is unloaded. You know that Sir.

 

[letusbuyyourcar]

In the moment, there's no telling if she had loaded it as she was running with her back to them. Foolish to presume it's unloaded.

Yeah I've seen more than one video of a random thug asking for an AR from behind the counter then pulling a loaded mag from a pocket loading the rifle and pointing it at the counter people.

 

[Bypass]

Yes, I am quite aware of the difference between LE and civilians standards for justifiable Use of Force. As you may remember, having attended at least ONE of my courses, I also teach civilians. Amongst the topics that I cover with civilian students is UoF.

The only force I know is Force of Violence taught by Uncle Sam. I may never change my ways Sir.

 

[lesgobrandon]