Eliminating Georgia's weapons "license" - For God's sake people, do it!

[GeauxLSU]

Wanting a properly worded piece of legislation is not being lackadaisical. Wanting anything labeled "constitutional carry" regardless of how it is worded or who is disenfranchises is imprudent.

By who's definition is 'properly' worded. Can you find one code section of anything that is 'properly worded'? HB60 was a textual train wreck. I guess that shouldn't have passed? How many bills are labeled "constitutional carry"?
Not supporting the only bill that will eliminate the single biggest infringement on the 2A this state still holds onto. What a bizarre conversation for a 'gun forum'.

 

[Redneck1919]

Wanting a properly worded piece of legislation is not being lackadaisical. Wanting anything labeled "constitutional carry" regardless of how it is worded or who is disenfranchises is imprudent.

If you are waiting for anything from our government to be perfect or "properly worded" that doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to understand then you will be disappointed.
And there is that word "disenfranchise" again.

 

[dondon48]

It is incredibly frustrating. We all have our 'hot buttons' and the 2nd is surely one of mine. I'm just always amazed at how lackadaisical gun owners are about their rights or content they are to let others write the path for us. Then I look at the laws we have and realize, "cause and effect"....

gun owners don't seem to understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed" any better than some politicians...

 

[dondon48]

By who's definition is 'properly' worded. Can you find one code section of anything that is 'properly worded'? HB60 was a textual train wreck. I guess that shouldn't have passed? How many bills are labeled "constitutional carry"?
Not supporting the only bill that will eliminate the single biggest infringement on the 2A this state still holds onto. What a bizarre conversation for a 'gun forum'.

I've thought for a long time legislation is purposely vague in order to keep attorneys employed

 

[Bottoms polaris]

Rep. Trey Kelley contacted. Waiting on response.

 

[alnen]

Yes, almost anything is POSSIBLE, however it's not going to happen. There is a reason it's referred to as 2015-2016 Regular Session and not the 2016 Regular Session. Yes in theory a bill could be amended to include or exclude anything, but I assure you a new CC bill will never see the light of day in 2016.
I didn't ask what GCO has gotten passed, I specifically asked what CC bill/law they've gotten passed since you said they will introduce something better. Where is their bill? They have an opportunity every 2 years and to your point every year if they really want to. HB563 is what we have and it's a huge improvement.
My comment about the minuscule number of people it 'might' effect by eliminating the disparity in the law between long gun and handguns would have, was not quoting anyone, it was as if a hypothetical person was speaking.
To say I won't support the elimination of the GWL requirement for ALL Georgia residents because a non-military teenager won't be able to open carry a long gun in public (like anyone does) is akin to saying (more hypothetical quotes) "I can't support this bill to do away with restrictions on all NFA items and replacing them with only guns with barrels over 36" because I heard there's a guy in Kansas that has 36.1" goose gun so let's keep the status quo with suppressors, SBRs, etc..... "

Are you seriously saying that as outlined HB563 isn't a gain and a HUGE one for the 2A? It doesn't change nor stifle any desire about extending the places we can carry or any other desire by pro 2A residents. They are not related. This all are nothing mentality is an absolutely losing proposition. We are never going to get a "cover everything" bill. Take the ground we can gain at every chance, especially when it's huge ground, and keep pushing forward. I guess we should have never passed HB60 because it didn't eliminate the GWL requirement?

Right now there is one and only ONE bill that eliminates the unConstitutional GWL requirement. We need to seize it. Or we can wait and hope that somebody else does it for us.... one day.... on their schedule...... when hopefully the tide isn't further against us..... hopefully we'll be still be alive to see it.

I'm astounded any pro 2A person would object to getting this passed but that's what makes the world go around, I guess.

The reason we don't get a good gun bill every year is simple. The legislature will typically not move 2a bills forward unless it is an election year. GCO knows this and must play the game.

Since GCO is not a representative/senator, they can not actually introduce a cc or any other bill. However, the bills that I mentioned in my last post, and also hb89, were passed in large part due to gco. They work very closely with our 2a friends in the legislature and develop a plan, create verbiage, etc to get things done. They are behind the scenes good guys.

Trust me, there was a bill a while back that I really liked and was disappointed when gco didn't support it. The bill didn't pass, but we got something similar in the end, minus the steps backward that gco didn't like.

I'm not concerned whether a new bill is introduced or an old bill is modified with pro 2a language, as long as we move forward methodically and intelligently.

And that nfa analogy you gave is assinine and you know it.

 

[GeauxLSU]

The reason we don't get a good gun bill every year is simple. The legislature will typically not move 2a bills forward unless it is an election year. GCO knows this and must play the game. Since GCO is not a representative/senator, they can not actually introduce a cc or any other bill. However, the bills that I mentioned in my last post, and also hb89, were passed in large part due to gco. They work very closely with our 2a friends in the legislature and develop a plan, create verbiage, etc to get things done. They are behind the scenes good guys.
And that nfa analogy you gave is assinine and you know it.

I'm not sure who your legislative primer is aimed at and if you are trying to convince me that GCO is an effective organization but feel free to save the cyber space on both accounts. Not supporting the only bill that exists for the elimination of the unconstitutional GWL in Georgia is assinine and you know it. See how that works? We all have opinions.
My opinion is I'm thankful for those gun owners that are taking this simple action to have their voices heard and to motivate their legislatures to hopefully take a position supporting the expansion of 2A rights for Georgia's citizens. Too often many just sit on their thumbs and complain about the state of affairs and complain about anyone's attempt to address them.

 

[captdave77]

gun owners don't seem to understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed" any better than some politicians...

The bill is full of infringements. It is not constitutional carry. The authors used the word "constitutional" the way liberal lawmakers use the word "safety". True constitutional carry would have zero restrictions on type, manner, or location.

It says right in the GD bill they are not infringing but describing the manner in which arms may be born. That's a ****ing infringement.

 

[GeauxLSU]

The bill is full of infringements. It is not constitutional carry. The authors used the word "constitutional" the way liberal lawmakers use the word "safety". True constitutional carry would have zero restrictions on type, manner, or location.
It says right in the GD bill they are not infringing but describing the manner in which arms may be born. That's a ****ing infringement.

Ah, profanity. Always good for passionate discussion.
So to be clear, you will only support a 'pure' Constitutional Carry bill and any other incremental net gains, no matter how large, shouldn't be supported? Shall we list the infringements present in HB60?
What a bizarre 'conversation'. I agree, the author is liberal in his use of the term. It's a bill to eliminate the GWL. You'd think that would be a pretty big deal with universal support from gun owners but since some owners actually LIKE the fact we have to submit to that, think we need mandatory training, etc... there will always be outliers. Thankfully it appears most here see the clear gain and will do their small part to advance the ball for all of us.

 

[alnen]

I'm not sure who your legislative primer is aimed at and if you are trying to convince me that GCO is an effective organization but feel free to save the cyber space on both accounts. Not supporting the only bill that exists for the elimination of the unconstitutional GWL in Georgia is assinine and you know it. See how that works? We all have opinions.
My opinion is I'm thankful for those gun owners that are taking this simple action to have their voices heard and to motivate their legislatures to hopefully take a position supporting the expansion of 2A rights for Georgia's citizens. Too often many just sit on their thumbs and complain about the state of affairs and complain about anyone's attempt to address them.

We'll have to agree to disagree about what constitutes a good gun bill.

I will say this. This "Constitutional Carry Bill" will either be modified for the better or will be left to die a quiet death while a better bill moves forward. Either way, we'll see a truly good 2a bill this year, so I'm not concerned about the vessel that it arrives in.