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Ford Exec Declares Engines No Longer Matter...

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Do you care about the engine?

Would you still buy a Chevy truck, if it has Toyota designed engine made in China? How about a Mustang with a Kia V6 sourced from Mexico?

Stellantis must feel differently as they have brought back their 5.7 / 6.4 Hemi V8.


From the article... Since internal combustion engines were adopted as the de facto mode of propulsion for automobiles, they became one of their most defining characteristics. Sonorous Italians, ultra-high revving Japanese, or “no replacement for displacement” Americans: those stereotypes exist simply because said engines became synonymous not just with certain models, but brands (and even countries) as a whole.

Today, we live in a world that has experienced a rapid technological advancement in a relatively short time, and cars are no exception. In fact, they have become just another commodity to the new generation of buyers who, if at least one exec is to be believed, simply don’t care what’s under the hood of their ride.
That executive is none other than Ford Vice Chair John Lawler, so his opinion has a certain gravity. “I don’t think that consumers really think about powertrains the way they did 30 years ago”, he said on May 28 during Bernstein’s strategic decisions conference, according to Autonews.

He is probably right. The shift to electrification has transformed the way new car buyers view their purchases, and it’s not just electric vehicles, but hybrids that have contributed to that. Blame the effort to reduce CO2 emissions if you have to, but there’s no hiding from the truth; nowadays, cars fall under the “white goods” category, and romantics be damned.

“Where [combustion engines] defined what a vehicle was – the horsepower, the displacement, the torque and everything about the vehicle – I think a lot of that is gone,” Lawler explained.

Sure, in certain niches combustion is still king, but the vast majority of customers don’t give a damn whether their car comes with an ICE, hybrid or all-electric powertrain as long as it’s priced withing their reach and has the features and range they desire. And while petrolheads may bemoan that reality, automakers welcome it with open arms.

That’s because it opens up hitherto unavailable possibilities. Since engines are no longer a defining trait, each brand is free to choose from a much wider array of units. What’s more, it doesn’t even have to make them itself which, much to shareholders’ joy, will lower costs and increase profit – plus it can benefit the end user, who won’t have to pay the premium needed to cover the R&D each maker’s department spent in creating each engine.

Parts sharing is nothing new, and neither is engine sharing, even if carmakers don’t exactly advertise the fact that an Audi’s V10, for instance, is basically the same as a Lamborghini‘s despite the latter having a significantly higher price tag.

 
As bad as I hate to say it he’s right. Most people these days don’t know what real horsepower means. They only care about trips to the gas pump. The EPA killed modern day cars. The fact that the “average mpg” madders more than longevity “reliability”. Most young folk just figure a car payment is just another bill where us older folk would rather have one that “last” As for me and my wife, the newest vehicle is an 2012 and we work on our on stuff. Oil change, general maintenance, etc… we do ourselves. But we are old school so to say. Or just a generation with a set of nuts.
 
As bad as I hate to say it he’s right. Most people these days don’t know what real horsepower means. They only care about trips to the gas pump. The EPA killed modern day cars. The fact that the “average mpg” madders more than longevity “reliability”. Most young folk just figure a car payment is just another bill where us older folk would rather have one that “last” As for me and my wife, the newest vehicle is an 2012 and we work on our on stuff. Oil change, general maintenance, etc… we do ourselves. But we are old school so to say. Or just a generation with a set of nuts.
Yes there are a lot of buyers that don't know anything about the type of engine they have, who designed it or where it came from. But there are also buyers that do care.
 
Vehicles used to be their own work of art, have their own personality. I've always been about performance. But I also want dependability, longevity and to be sturdy. The new cars of today are lackluster and exorbitantly expensive
 
I'd say a lot of buyers like owning a Ford Five-Oh, Chevy 6.2 or a MOPAR 5.7 Hemi. But they aren't to concerned about transmissions.
There is a subset of buyers who still care, but I think the majority do not.

If it gets good mileage, has enough "pep"', good interior room, and has lots of electronic features then they're happy; or at least content.
 
He’s not wrong

The vast majority of buyers don’t know and don’t care what kind or size engines their cars have

Most people can’t even tell you if it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive

Same with a manual transmission
Most people now couldn’t drive one if you offered them a stack of cash

Plus the new cars are so much less reliable than the 1996ish to 2008ish cars

Wonder if this executive know that if the tail lights on the new F-150 get wet the truck won’t crank ?

That’s right . The computer in the tail light shirts out and it takes down the entire computer network in the whole truck and it won’t crank

And that’s not even discussing WHY there’s a computer module inside the tail light
A tail light should be a wire and a bulb .

Oh, and that tail light costs $2,300 and you can’t get a used one from a salvage yard , because the computer in the tail light has to be programmed at the dealership to work on your F-150

If you try to install one from a different F-150 , even one that’s the same year and model etc , it won’t work unless you pay the stealership to program it to work on your truck


I’m just gonna keep my 2006 expedition until the wheels fall off .
 
There is a subset of buyers who still care, but I think the majority do not.

If it gets good mileage, has enough "pep"', good interior room, and has lots of electronic features then they're happy; or at least content.
He’s not wrong

The vast majority of buyers don’t know and don’t care what kind or size engines their cars have

Most people can’t even tell you if it’s front wheel drive or rear wheel drive

Same with a manual transmission
Most people now couldn’t drive one if you offered them a stack of cash

Plus the new cars are so much less reliable than the 1996ish to 2008ish cars

Wonder if this executive know that if the tail lights on the new F-150 get wet the truck won’t crank ?

That’s right . The computer in the tail light shirts out and it takes down the entire computer network in the whole truck and it won’t crank

And that’s not even discussing WHY there’s a computer module inside the tail light
A tail light should be a wire and a bulb .

Oh, and that tail light costs $2,300 and you can’t get a used one from a salvage yard , because the computer in the tail light has to be programmed at the dealership to work on your F-150

If you try to install one from a different F-150 , even one that’s the same year and model etc , it won’t work unless you pay the stealership to program it to work on your truck


I’m just gonna keep my 2006 expedition until the wheels fall off .
I hate to say it, but I'm sure he's mostly right. The manufacturers will just buy a generic 2.0 turbo 4 that will be shared by many car brands. A Chinese company will build engines for a dozen car companies. Such a shame, considering in the past many car companies were known for their engines and they were a selling point.
 
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