I know there are haters and fans of the Hi Point here and all over the wide wide world of web. But the way I see it how can you go wrong with a $160.00 brand new 9mm? Sure it may have some issues and may require some fine tuning to the feed ramps and mags but again it's a 9mm pistol for way under two bills. To me that's like fire extinguishers, flashlights or jumper cables. There's no excuse not to have at least one.I wonder if a 9mm fired from a hi point into your brain would kill you as dead as one fired from a BLOCK. ...&before you tell me to try it and get back to you on it, the answer is no....but I'll go see the WISE OL OWL from the lollipop commercial...lol