So you have no experience with it but are telling people it is bad though. Or that FL is for lazy people even though proper application takes quite a while. Just don't understand
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So you have no experience with it but are telling people it is bad though. Or that FL is for lazy people even though proper application takes quite a while. Just don't understand
On large parts like bolt-carrier groups or larger pistol slides it seems to work pretty well.
On small parts it can have the tendency to seize things up if there is ANY residue of a petroleum product left on them. I've also had issues with it on small 'pocket' guns if left in a cold glove compartment for long periods (weeks) without use.
For those few that like to ascribe magical properties to it, in reality it's just repackaged lubricant for commercial food processing equipment. It was never designed specifically for firearms.
To be fair, I never understood the love for CLP either. Anything that is supposed to both clean and lubricate in one bottle doesn't make a lot of sense, except as a field expedient solution.
As a way to keep a gun running in the field CLP probably works OK. But you can always do a much better job using a cleaning solution to clean, and dedicated oils and/or greases to lubricate. I do keep CLP in my range bag for emergencies, but that's probably the only time I would actually use it.
On small parts it can have the tendency to seize things up if there is ANY residue of a petroleum product left on them. I've also had issues with it on small 'pocket' guns if left in a cold glove compartment for long periods (weeks) without use.
For those few that like to ascribe magical properties to it, in reality it's just repackaged lubricant for commercial food processing equipment. It was never designed specifically for firearms.
To be fair, I never understood the love for CLP either. Anything that is supposed to both clean and lubricate in one bottle doesn't make a lot of sense, except as a field expedient solution.
As a way to keep a gun running in the field CLP probably works OK. But you can always do a much better job using a cleaning solution to clean, and dedicated oils and/or greases to lubricate. I do keep CLP in my range bag for emergencies, but that's probably the only time I would actually use it.
Don't look now.... But apparently fire clean has some haters too.
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/genera...and-omissions/where-theres-smoke-theres-liar/
http://www.boomershooter.com/forums/index.php/topic/14572-fireclean-issues-when-cold/
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/genera...and-omissions/where-theres-smoke-theres-liar/
http://www.boomershooter.com/forums/index.php/topic/14572-fireclean-issues-when-cold/
Sort of old news / continuing drama at this point. What is not in dispute is that Fireclean DOES work well. The author of that article, Andrew Tuohy, has stated that himself, even after publishing the article and a follow up article.
Additionally, industry professionals from Knights Armament, Magpul and others have all tested Fireclean, with excellent results. They don't get paid to endorse it either.
What he presented isn't exactly groundbreaking. Anyone who has been paying attention over the last few years, knows that all of the "bio-based", non-toxic lubricant are essentially food based oils. Meaning, they are plant or seed based. That's not new news. And it includes Froglube, which is soy based if I'm not mistaken. It's soy base is the reason it breaks down pretty quickly and becomes a tacky, smelly mess. Fireclean doesn't do that. Further, there have numerous first hand accounts of guns stored with FC for months or over a year, with no loss of lubricity. Froglube can't claim that and the number of people that have had issues with Froglube outweigh Fireclean by a factor of 10.
What has been claimed is that Fireclean is canola. But that has not been fully proven. The people who performed the tests have repeatedly used words like "essentially the same". That's not a definitive statement. In fact, the test that was used will return the same results for a wide variety of veg based oils. I saw a comparison of 20 different veg based oils and they all looked "essentially the same." So, all they proved is what we already knew, Fireclean is a vegetable or seed based oil. The tests used do not conclusively prove that Fireclean is canola oil.
What we know with absolute certainty, is that it is NOT crisco vegetable oil. Don't believe me, then try running it in your gun, get it hot and dirty, then report back in a couple weeks. The result? A rancid, sticky mess.
What I haven't seen yet, is someone that has run a valid field test of pure canola oil for comparison. I look forward to seeing that when someone does.
So, it seems that the only valid complaint at this point is that Fireclean is expensive, because it MIGHT be canola oil. If that turns out to be true, then color me excited. Because Fireclean works wonderfully. And if I can buy a substitute that works just as well for a few dollars a gallon, I'll be set for years.
Summary: Fireclean works and works well. We don't know yet exactly what it is. And pretty much everyone agrees, Froglube is still a ****ty lubricant.
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Probably, but the Fireclean thing has been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. Figured it was best to just get all the pertinent information out there and save people the headache.
What did you mix up?
Two parts canola oil. One part vegetable oil. Half part olive oil (for color). Put in a shot glass. Added 20 drops of 3-in-1 for good measure.
Cleaned up a dirty 1911 .22 pretty well. About like CLP. Seemed to work better the longer you leave it on.
No long term use results yet. Something to consider in shtf I guess. It's still on my bench and it's good for using on q-tips to clean but I don't think I'd rely on it to lubricate.
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