Is it time to rejoin the NRA

[Fatal_Bert]

I love to see yall whine about how the NRA spent your money but stick your head up your butt when it come to how, Mcdonalds, Sony , Disney, NFL, MLB, Target, Walmart, Comcast, Direct TV etc....etc... spends your money
You patronize literally countless restaurants and stores that actively fund your demise because you WANT.
You are losing and you are funding it.
Why are Liberals so much more pro-active and strategic and Conservatives so re-active and too lazy to take action.
Im not making an arguement for the NRA, Im just saying "Stop whining while you are cutting your own ***** off ! "

You pay McDonald's to give you a hamburger, and they give you a hamburger.

You pay the NRA to protect guns rights, and they buy fancy suits and sell out your gun rights to the highest bidder.

See the difference?

 

[spencer60]

You pay McDonald's to give you a hamburger, and they give you a hamburger.

You pay the NRA to protect guns rights, and they buy fancy suits and sell out your gun rights to the highest bidder.

See the difference?

You call those things hamburgers?

 

[Alpha5717]

No, not taking shots at you personally. Just trying to say that the GOA 'no compromise' tagline is mainly marketing. It doesn't advance the cause in the real world of politics.

As for why I did finally join... GOA started doing some really good work a few years ago.

On the advocacy side they started holding some really effective rallies in some of the more restrictive states (VA comes to mind), reminding politicians that there are a LOT of gun owners.

They have also sponsored several court cases recently that had a real effect on the ATF. And if they are starting to sponsor legislation, so much the better. That's been the NRAs bailiwick forever but I won't cry to see another group compete with them on that front, just like other groups compete with SAF in the courts.

The topic of the thread was about whether people should join/re-join the NRA. Your answer was 'no' because they 'always compromise'.

I'm simply saying that in politics, like in life, compromise is inevitable if you want to get anything accomplished. What's the old saying? "Perfect is the enemy of good". Same deal.

Everybody has their own reality. When the NRA backed taking away the automatic weapons, endorsing the Brady Bill and using their membership to lobby for gun laws that the NRA was silently endorsed, I gave up on them and sided with GOA.

I've been fighting small and large issues ever since. Your claims are without merit and a slap in the face of someone who has gone the distance without trying to become a household name with the controlled news and entertainment media. Those working behind the scenes do as much as the guys taking your money, shaking their fists and making a lot of noise only to cave and then try to tell us that they gave up something and got nothing in return. That is where we end the back and forth. You interpret keeping something you already had and letting the other guy get something without giving something as a compromise. You and I will NEVER see eye on that. A compromise would be great if there were some kind of quid pro quo.
You have a hundred dollars in your pocket. A tough guy demands all your money. You "negotiate" to give him half, realizing that you are just as tough as he is. You have half as much as you had and got nothing in return. I don't like that kind of compromise. I support your Right to think it's a good deal, however.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

You call those things hamburgers?

I probably haven't had a McDonald's hamburger in over 10 years. Probably haven't more than 10 of them in 20 years.

But I think they went back to beef after the whole pink slime debacle.

My point remains

 

[Alpha5717]

I love to see yall whine about how the NRA spent your money but stick your head up your butt when it come to how, Mcdonalds, Sony , Disney, NFL, MLB, Target, Walmart, Comcast, Direct TV etc....etc... spends your money
You patronize literally countless restaurants and stores that actively fund your demise because you WANT.
You are losing and you are funding it.
Why are Liberals so much more pro-active and strategic and Conservatives so re-active and too lazy to take action.
Im not making an arguement for the NRA, Im just saying "Stop whining while you are cutting your own ***** off ! "

I'm well aware of all that you speak of. Today you just met your match:

I lobby hard against Wallyworld. I never shop at Target. Satellite, cable, Comcast, Direct tv, - don't have any of them. Don't have time to watch the NFL, basketball, NASCAR (who sold out on the Confederate flag issue) and Disney is way too woke for me. Ditto for most sports. My boycott list is rather extensive.

I say the things you say, but I live them. And I started posting here as the think tanks I belong to only get so much interest from a brain dead society. The American people ARE funding their own demise and those that stay within the existing system are all going to the same destination, just by different routes. What many here don't know is that, historically, the NRA was started as a gun control organization. That explains why it's two steps forward and three steps back regardless of what the claims are. You may want to know too that the Republican Party only gives lip service to the Second Amendment, so if you are going to spend your money for representation you had better hire a big bulldog to fight for you.

 

[Havok_actual]

OK, point by point...

No, I never negotiated anything political, but the very word 'negotiate' means a back and forth, a give and take, a... wait for it... 'compromise'.

I have negotiated multi-million dollar contracts, and exactly how far do you think I would get if I told Microsoft that I thought all software should be free and that we were going to use their stuff and not pay them a cent? NO COMPROMISE! Contracts don't work that way and neither does lawmaking.

As for Rittenhouse, Oh well. As far as I know he wasn't a member, he did get support from other groups and the NRA was in no position to help at that point anyway, so I don't see what your point is.

And I've never even heard of NFGR (you sure you don't mean NAGR?) As far as I know they never set any kind of 'precedent' with Rittenhouse, or anyone else.

The NRA DID go to bat for the PA woman who accidently crossed into NJ and was arrested for owning a gun without a license. Every rights group picks and chooses their cases. Do you think Rosa Parks was the first Black woman to protest bus seating?

But in the end the NRA isn't about individual cases, so it seems pointless to bring them up.

Your argument about 'destroying' the militia and the 2A doesn't really make sense to me.

Yes, the Hughes amendment was all the things bad things I said it was, but it didn't 'destroy the militia'. What Harris will try in the future is open to debate (nothing good I'm guessing), but that just reinforces my argument that we need a strong NRA.

Your last paragraph does make sense. For way too long the gun control industry has been pushing and the 2A community has been in a defensive position.

You say that the NRA compromises even when they don't have to, and that may be true to a point. It's like guessing whether you should kick a field goal or go for a touchdown. The answer is only obvious after the fact.

But back to your point. The gun controllers do have an incrementalistic approach, because it works. If they simply said "We want complete civilian disarmament right now. Turn 'em all in Mr. and Mrs. America. No Compromise!" they would be completely ignored.

That approach would never work for them, so why would it work for us?

And it sounds like you are forgetting completely about the way the NRA organized and fought a successful, 'no compromise' battle to defeat the 'universal' background check bill after the Sandy Hook shootings.

A lot of people wanted to accept the Manchin-Toomey bill because they though the full Bloomberg bill would pass. The NRA didn't back down though and the bill failed.

On the flip side the NRA couldn't prevent the Clinton AWB from passing but they did limit the scope to a production ban (versus Feinstein's 'turn em all in' plan) and adding a sunset period that eventually took it off the books... something never done before to a gun control law.

In short, digging in your heels and shouting 'no compromise' is a good way to lose 99% of the battles you fight in literally any arena. It's a nice slogan, but as real world advice it's too simplistic to be worth discussing.

Dudes living in the past, give em a break. Why was Rittenhouse a turd though?

 

[Havok_actual]

I probably haven't had a McDonald's hamburger in over 10 years. Probably haven't more than 10 of them in 20 years.

But I think they went back to beef after the whole pink slime debacle.

My point remains

I think hamburger day is tomorrow (Sept 18th) .50cent boig-ahs!

 

[Havok_actual]

I'm well aware of all that you speak of. Today you just met your match:

I lobby hard against Wallyworld. I never shop at Target. Satellite, cable, Comcast, Direct tv, - don't have any of them. Don't have time to watch the NFL, basketball, NASCAR (who sold out on the Confederate flag issue) and Disney is way too woke for me. Ditto for most sports. My boycott list is rather extensive.

I say the things you say, but I live them. And I started posting here as the think tanks I belong to only get so much interest from a brain dead society. The American people ARE funding their own demise and those that stay within the existing system are all going to the same destination, just by different routes. What many here don't know is that, historically, the NRA was started as a gun control organization. That explains why it's two steps forward and three steps back regardless of what the claims are. You may want to know too that the Republican Party only gives lip service to the Second Amendment, so if you are going to spend your money for representation you had better hire a big bulldog to fight for you.

Youre gonna upset the brace act fearing "patriots" on this forum.

 

[Inatree]

You pay McDonald's to give you a hamburger, and they give you a hamburger.

You pay the NRA to protect guns rights, and they buy fancy suits and sell out your gun rights to the highest bidder.

See the difference?

Yes, And I consider giving money to your ememy to be the dumber of the two actions

 

[My name is Homer]

I'm ashamed of recruiting for the org.

The NRA is a toothless tiger. Even God Emperor Trump laughed at their uselessness as a political lobby.

Let that sink in Elmers.

I'll take a "wait 'n see" position for a year or two before I ever give the NRA a nod. Decades of grift and corruption and scandal won't be undone by a brief regime change

I knew I liked you!