Item Gone: FS Bullet Proof Backpack - input needed!!!!

Tiamat · Oct 15, 2015

Tiamat said:
Ok im sold...my kid is going to have to two strap this from now on.

brianpwallis · Oct 15, 2015

PA4476 said:
Might be a little late to the party. Seems like several places to buy already.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pink-Bullet...-School-Youth-Safety-Adult-Work-/351512228896

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Guard-Dog-S...Safe-BackPack-NIJ-Level-IIIA-3A-/262069933031

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-backpack-shield.html

Well, what sounds better? A. I got this awesome bulletproof backpack from a fellow ODT'r or B. I was on Etsy and found this bulletproof backpack..... Your call, prepare to donate your man card if you answer B.....

Ken Ford · Oct 15, 2015

brianpwallis said:
Well, what sounds better? A. I got this awesome bulletproof backpack from a fellow ODT'r or B. I was on Etsy and found this bulletproof backpack..... Your call, prepare to donate your man card if you answer B.....

Yeah kinda what I was thinking.

GAgunLAWbooklet · Oct 16, 2015

I think there's a very limited market.
First, the cost rules out 95% of families with young kids.
Second, the military look of this pack is offensive to the lib-tards that run schools these days.
Another issue is that Communists who run our schools don't like the idea of rich kids having access to expensive life-saving things that poor kids can't afford, so they will try to ban them for everybody in the name of equality .

Finally, people who know guns and risk assessment will want armor sufficient to stop 5.56 mm and 7.62 x 39mm, since public mass murderers do use those calibers.

A couple of books will stop any common handgun round.
What would make a ballistic backpack special is the ability to stop rifle bullets.

P.s. Some schools have banned backpacks and other big bags, unless they're made of clear plastic.

avmtdan · Oct 16, 2015

So, a clear bag with a plate inside that says "strike face" is recommended then?

brianpwallis · Oct 16, 2015

GAgunLAWbooklet, I appreciate your input even though it seems like you are raining a bit on my parade. This is exactly why I put this thread out there. I HAVE to find out exactly who thinks what and if it's worth spending a lot more money on tooling and other things.

Let's address your points one by one - the cost - you say it rules out 95% of families with young kids. With cost - each dollar you increase your product - your field shrinks exponentially. - Noted and let me add to that - if there is a will - there is a way. You know how many lawns I had to mow to pay for my clothes (and my first car and my date money and my stereo and my guns and....)? OH BOY it was a lot but I found a way. If you have some sort of reference, I would appreciate it so I can learn from it. Hopefully as a lawyer you had the smarts to reference something instead of making up a figure out of thin air. As a mechanic, I always have to follow the book - I can't just say - "Wellllll that looks about right and hold my beer while I put the wheel on backwards" You are absolutely right about a limited market. No argument there. Seems to be a limited number of smart people out there also these days too. I completely agree. What would a parent do to protect their children?

Second point - the military look of the pack. It's offensive to Libtards (as you stated) etc. Again, as a lawyer, I hope you can quote some sort of reference instead of heating up some air and saying something like a Libtard (your term) would do without research. If it is your opinion, I completely respect that and welcome it. As a soldier I fought so people could do stupid and smart things in the United States, not just things I agreed with. I see people say stupid stuff and do stupid stuff all the time and I cannot and will not stop them as there are too many and the constitution protects them as well. If you are going to provide constructive feedback in a positive manner - please keep it professional. Even though I laughed at the term Libtard, I cannot say that in a professional setting. "Your backpack has a military look to it and it may offend someone in the school" sounds more professional. Perhaps you'd better put on your fluorescent vest and write everybody a ticket at the school who has a political bumper sticker as those may cause a real distraction and perhaps a traffic accident due to distraction reading a political bumper sticker while they are dropping off "Libtard"(as you stated)Jr. On the other hand, I see your point of a "military" looking pack that might cause some small children and teachers to cower in fear. Perhaps those people live in the little pink bubble that they call reality and might be offended by anything that looks OD and is green - willing to bet it's a small percentage. The JROTC programs seem to have a military look to them and might also offend certain people - anyone looking to repeal the JROTC programs - please raise your hand here and prepare to again - "donate your man card" while you sip your soy latte, purse your lips and cross your legs because your are uncomfortable reading this.

Third point - rich kids having access to life saving technology etc..... That is a fantastic point and well received. It seems your coffee is starting to kick in. The amount of effort it would take to search every single backpack to find the "offensive" bulletproof plates and then consequently ban them, would be beyond any one person's political capital that they would rather spend other places especially when they are probably looking at the limits on their credit card to see if they can buy one for their child. Show me the politician that runs his/her platform on banning bulletproof technology for kids! The plates are hidden and not openly advertised. Moot point. I'm also measuring some mesh and clear backpacks to put the panels in. It will simply look like the back is a stiffener. It won't have "This is a bullet proof plate and I'm better than you" written in fluorescent letters across it. Perhaps the people who can afford it simply can afford it because they got off their butt like I did and found a job or extra job and want that protection for their child. Maybe the lazy people will just complain and file for one on their govt voucher and "expect" it to be given to them. It's similar to conceal carry - better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The smart people who have good work ethics will make it happen and hopefully if needed, their children will live through one of these horrible events that seem to happen all too often in "gun free zones". The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is with a good man with a gun. That's why police respond to a active shooting instead of waiters or librarians (no offense to those people meant). Perhaps you can use a bulletproof backpack to help soften the blows if you are not allowed to legally carry a gun in a "gun free zone". It's certainly better than nothing. There is a stigma attached to people who are smart enough to be able to defend themselves or their families instead of the unarmed people that wait and wait and wait.... for the police to respond. By using a backpack with a concealed panel, you can pretend you are a normal person but know you are smarter than the average bear.

Fourth point - Those who know guns etc..... Very well received and here is my counterpoint. I'm working on it. I have to crawl before I run. The Kevlar is only NIJ 3A rated, not for high powered rifles. TRUE as I certainly found out by blowing up (and through) my backback with tons of ammo to include rifle rounds..... The 5.56 went through it and was not stopped by the fabric (NIJ 3A is not rated for high powered rounds). The reason I picked the Kevlar was because it's light, it's flexible and easily conforms to backpacks. It's also easy to make custom shapes out of it instead of some of the other materials I'm looking at that are much heavier and not as easy to manufacture. Small kids cannot easily lift AR-500. Mass murders use a variety of weapons, I cannot provide an invisible shield that protects against all threats, this is a great place to start. I see your book is for sale on Amazon. I checked on Amazon and there were a variety of NIJ 3a rated backpacks for sale. I chose this one because it's the most durable one I could find and not one of those cheap nylon things. IT IS UP TO THE PARENT TO CHOOSE AND PROVIDE the needed protection for their children. I am here to give them that choice - and if I don't do it, someone else will and chances are that those backpacks will not be nearly as good as mine. As a concerned father, I made them for my family. I went through tremendous amounts of research and money to make sure they had every advantage. I went out of my way to find a super rugged backpack that would last a long time and I could up armor.

Fifth point - a couple of books will stop any common handgun round - Perhaps the "Libtard" (as you stated) did not bring their books home for the day for whatever reason or little Johnny is more concerned about making sure his comic books are not damaged by the heavy books - if worn properly, it will protect their vital organs against penetration from the rounds covered under the NIJ 3a rating. It's better to go to the hospital and live than have a large hole in you (along with all the other shock damage a bullet does). What size check would a parent write to be able to have superpowers and instantly place a bulletproof backpack on their child right before impact of a bullet? Kind of like the person who declined to replace their brakes when they know they are worn - (Oh darn, I can't stop and I'm going to spill my soy latte all over my clothing not to mention my neck brace or this wheelchair I'm going to be in is going to suck) Also, again please do your research on "common books" or what kids bring home. There is a push to lighten the homework load on kids - there is no mandate for kids to carry anything in their backpack and if it's heavy, they might be inclined to leave it home. I saw a youtube video where a 44 mag went right through a LARGE textbook and out the other side. Smart people do smart things, dumb people do dumb things, I can't fix stupid -if it saves one child's life - it will be worth it! If you don't believe me, check out the Darwin Awards.

As much as I appreciate your input (and yes I really do appreciate it even though it seems like I'm raining on your parade) I will have to respectfully post my points and let the community marinate on that data.

PA4476 · Oct 16, 2015

brianpwallis said:
GAgunLAWbooklet, I appreciate your input even though it seems like you are raining a bit on my parade. This is exactly why I put this thread out there. I HAVE to find out exactly who thinks what and if it's worth spending a lot more money on tooling and other things.

Let's address your points one by one - the cost - you say it rules out 95% of families with young kids. With cost - each dollar you increase your product - your field shrinks exponentially. - Noted and let me add to that - if there is a will - there is a way. You know how many lawns I had to mow to pay for my clothes (and my first car and my date money and my stereo and my guns and....)? OH BOY it was a lot but I found a way. If you have some sort of reference, I would appreciate it so I can learn from it. Hopefully as a lawyer you had the smarts to reference something instead of making up a figure out of thin air. As a mechanic, I always have to follow the book - I can't just say - "Wellllll that looks about right and hold my beer while I put the wheel on backwards" You are absolutely right about a limited market. No argument there. Seems to be a limited number of smart people out there also these days too. I completely agree. What would a parent do to protect their children?

Second point - the military look of the pack. It's offensive to Libtards (as you stated) etc. Again, as a lawyer, I hope you can quote some sort of reference instead of heating up some air and saying something like a Libtard (your term) would do without research. If it is your opinion, I completely respect that and welcome it. As a soldier I fought so people could do stupid and smart things in the United States, not just things I agreed with. I see people say stupid stuff and do stupid stuff all the time and I cannot and will not stop them as there are too many and the constitution protects them as well. If you are going to provide constructive feedback in a positive manner - please keep it professional. Even though I laughed at the term Libtard, I cannot say that in a professional setting. "Your backpack has a military look to it and it may offend someone in the school" sounds more professional. Perhaps you'd better put on your fluorescent vest and write everybody a ticket at the school who has a political bumper sticker as those may cause a real distraction and perhaps a traffic accident due to distraction reading a political bumper sticker while they are dropping off "Libtard"(as you stated)Jr. On the other hand, I see your point of a "military" looking pack that might cause some small children and teachers to cower in fear. Perhaps those people live in the little pink bubble that they call reality and might be offended by anything that looks OD and is green - willing to bet it's a small percentage. The JROTC programs seem to have a military look to them and might also offend certain people - anyone looking to repeal the JROTC programs - please raise your hand here and prepare to again - "donate your man card" while you sip your soy latte, purse your lips and cross your legs because your are uncomfortable reading this.

Third point - rich kids having access to life saving technology etc..... That is a fantastic point and well received. It seems your coffee is starting to kick in. The amount of effort it would take to search every single backpack to find the "offensive" bulletproof plates and then consequently ban them, would be beyond any one person's political capital that they would rather spend other places especially when they are probably looking at the limits on their credit card to see if they can buy one for their child. Show me the politician that runs his/her platform on banning bulletproof technology for kids! The plates are hidden and not openly advertised. Moot point. I'm also measuring some mesh and clear backpacks to put the panels in. It will simply look like the back is a stiffener. It won't have "This is a bullet proof plate and I'm better than you" written in fluorescent letters across it. Perhaps the people who can afford it simply can afford it because they got off their butt like I did and found a job or extra job and want that protection for their child. Maybe the lazy people will just complain and file for one on their govt voucher and "expect" it to be given to them. It's similar to conceal carry - better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The smart people who have good work ethics will make it happen and hopefully if needed, their children will live through one of these horrible events that seem to happen all too often in "gun free zones". The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is with a good man with a gun. That's why police respond to a active shooting instead of waiters or librarians (no offense to those people meant). Perhaps you can use a bulletproof backpack to help soften the blows if you are not allowed to legally carry a gun in a "gun free zone". It's certainly better than nothing. There is a stigma attached to people who are smart enough to be able to defend themselves or their families instead of the unarmed people that wait and wait and wait.... for the police to respond. By using a backpack with a concealed panel, you can pretend you are a normal person but know you are smarter than the average bear.

Fourth point - Those who know guns etc..... Very well received and here is my counterpoint. I'm working on it. I have to crawl before I run. The Kevlar is only NIJ 3A rated, not for high powered rifles. TRUE as I certainly found out by blowing up (and through) my backback with tons of ammo to include rifle rounds..... The 5.56 went through it and was not stopped by the fabric (NIJ 3A is not rated for high powered rounds). The reason I picked the Kevlar was because it's light, it's flexible and easily conforms to backpacks. It's also easy to make custom shapes out of it instead of some of the other materials I'm looking at that are much heavier and not as easy to manufacture. Small kids cannot easily lift AR-500. Mass murders use a variety of weapons, I cannot provide an invisible shield that protects against all threats, this is a great place to start. I see your book is for sale on Amazon. I checked on Amazon and there were a variety of NIJ 3a rated backpacks for sale. I chose this one because it's the most durable one I could find and not one of those cheap nylon things. IT IS UP TO THE PARENT TO CHOOSE AND PROVIDE the needed protection for their children. I am here to give them that choice - and if I don't do it, someone else will and chances are that those backpacks will not be nearly as good as mine. As a concerned father, I made them for my family. I went through tremendous amounts of research and money to make sure they had every advantage. I went out of my way to find a super rugged backpack that would last a long time and I could up armor.

Fifth point - a couple of books will stop any common handgun round - Perhaps the "Libtard" (as you stated) did not bring their books home for the day for whatever reason or little Johnny is more concerned about making sure his comic books are not damaged by the heavy books - if worn properly, it will protect their vital organs against penetration from the rounds covered under the NIJ 3a rating. It's better to go to the hospital and live than have a large hole in you (along with all the other shock damage a bullet does). What size check would a parent write to be able to have superpowers and instantly place a bulletproof backpack on their child right before impact of a bullet? Kind of like the person who declined to replace their brakes when they know they are worn - (Oh darn, I can't stop and I'm going to spill my soy latte all over my clothing not to mention my neck brace or this wheelchair I'm going to be in is going to suck) Also, again please do your research on "common books" or what kids bring home. There is a push to lighten the homework load on kids - there is no mandate for kids to carry anything in their backpack and if it's heavy, they might be inclined to leave it home. I saw a youtube video where a 44 mag went right through a LARGE textbook and out the other side. Smart people do smart things, dumb people do dumb things, I can't fix stupid -if it saves one child's life - it will be worth it! If you don't believe me, check out the Darwin Awards.

As much as I appreciate your input (and yes I really do appreciate it even though it seems like I'm raining on your parade) I will have to respectfully post my points and let the community marinate on that data.

Good Lord ........ Really ? And before you ask, No I did not read all that.

Revolver · Oct 16, 2015

Send your kids to today's public school with a bulletproof, military-esque backpack and see how long it is before you're called into school and your kid expelled. Might be able to get away with it out in the boonies, but not in the lib-run cities where kids get expelled for making finger guns and eating Pop-Tarts into the shape of a gun.

Your target market is a niche of a niche of a niche. I personally know 0 people who would even consider sending their child to school with a "bulletproof" backpack (myself included). I know about 5 crazies on the ODT who would do it. If your idea isn't critically acclaimed on the ODT, you're only reaching a fraction of your target market, which is a very small fraction of the population to begin with. And even then, you said this has been done before and there are even products on Amazon. So you have a tiny target market, and you have to share it with established companies that already have the tooling? Good luck.

My contribution would be that kids shouldn't be your target demographic. Aim for the tacticool crowd if you're going to do this at all. But I bet there's gonna be better packs out there already, with companies that personally invest in bulletproof R&D and work with real engineers and testing labs. If there was a market for this, 5.11 or a similar company would already have knocked it out of the park.

If you really appreciate people's input, don't start spouting off for people to "do their research." You're supposed to be the one selling us. Our comments are our help to you, so don't be a dick.

And no one is trying to "rain on your parade." We're trying to save you some disappointment. If you're trying to sell a few on here or Etsy as a hobby then you just might make a few bucks here and there, but I would not expect this to become a full-time job. If you decide to pursue it, I hope you prove me wrong!

EDIT: Do you really think you can compete with this? http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-backpack-shield.html

One single Google search and the first search result has beaten you to it, and they do it at a similar price point. How are you ever going to get off the ground?

PA4476 · Oct 16, 2015

This should help

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bullet+proof+back+pack

Ken Ford · Oct 16, 2015

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No one ever got ahead by giving up cause someone did it first. Just do it better.

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