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[Jeddak]

Excuses? Like what? The CDC has been pretty upfront in sharing all of the information that they have. Do you have proof otherwise?

Like I said, I appreciate the fact that they continue to research the virus to uncover new information that may help prevent it's spread. Don't you?

Not OK to Travel:
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.html
Controlled movement
Controlled movement requires people to notify the public health authority about their intended travel for 21 days after their last known potential Ebola virus exposure. These individuals should not travel by commercial conveyances (e.g. airplane, ship, long-distance bus, or train). Local use of public transportation (e.g. taxi, bus) by asymptomatic individuals should be discussed with the public health authority.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/exposure/index.html:
The virus also can be spread through contact with objects (like clothes, bedding, needles, syringes/sharps or medical equipment) that have been contaminated with the virus or with infected animals.

OK to Travel:
http://blogs.cdc.gov/cdcdirector/2014/10/02/why-u-s-can-stop-ebola-in-its-tracks/
In this age of global travel, we anticipated that a traveler from a country with an Ebola outbreak would come to the United States and develop symptoms once they arrived. But from everything we know now, there appears to be no risk that anyone on this patient's flights from Liberia to the United States was exposed to the virus.

Which one is it?

 

[Hasselhoss]

If only there were more oil in Liberia. We have top notch centers set up and paid for by Chevron instead of the US taxpayer. It'd be totally under control.

You raise an excellent topic and, to be honest, I am really unsure where I stand on it. What role should the US play in international humanitarian affairs? Do we have a moral obligation to assist? Is it immoral/wrong/etc... if we send aid to countries where we have interests (oil, gold, plutonium mining, etc...) and not to countries where there is no real direct impact directly to the US economy or national security?

 

[Laufen]

You raise an excellent topic and, to be honest, I am really unsure where I stand on it. What role should the US play in international humanitarian affairs? Do we have a moral obligation to assist? Is it immoral/wrong/etc... if we send aid to countries where we have interests (oil, gold, plutonium mining, etc...) and not to countries where there is no real direct impact directly to the US economy or national security?

I appreciate your line of thinking here. When should the US get involved, and if it is to become involved in humanitarian work, who sets the threshold and who makes "moral" judgments. Should the US get involved in issues purely out of reasons of profitability or gaining access to resources. Who decides, and who directly benefits.
All very interesting questions.

 

[Hasselhoss]

I appreciate your line of thinking here. When should the US get involved, and if it is to become involved in humanitarian work, who sets the threshold and who makes "moral" judgments. Should the US get involved in issues purely out of reasons of profitability or gaining access to resources. Who decides, and who directly benefits.
All very interesting questions.

I would add to that: http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/552634-Why-America?

 

[batoncolle]

And yet we still can't manage to restrict flights from these countries... Who would have thought that African leaders do a better job than the idiots in charge of this country???

Africa stems Ebola via border closings, luck

"Health officials battling the Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,500 people in West Africa have managed to limit its spread on the continent to five countries - and two of them appear to have snuffed out the disease.

The developments constitute a modest success in an otherwise bleak situation.

Officials credit tighter border controls, good patient-tracking and other medical practices, and just plain luck with keeping Ebola confined mostly to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea since the outbreak was first identified nearly seven months ago."

 

[Indirect Fire]

The CDC has repeatedly said that direct exposure equals 3 feet or less for an extended period of time...like a bus ride.

Anyway, who doesn't expect medical professionals to update recommendations as new evidence is uncovered? Should they just stick with the original advice regardless? I'm happy they are constantly tweaking their recommendations. That's what happens when your ego takes a backseat to science.

There is one of the largest and most prestigious respiratory disease organizations that disagree with this theory 100%.

According to them it qualifies as an airborne disease and no one seems to be listening. Look at the Reston strain Ebola (in the US) outbreak for a good real world example. I am no conspiracy theorist, these outbreaks of hemorrhagic fevers (there are several types) have always occurred in Africa (and once in Germany, thus Marburg & Yugoslavia by imported primates), but due to the lack of transportation, no transportation infrastructure (roads) they have always killed off a few hundred and then disappeared back into the primate/mammal population.

The Chinese, the French, Germans, Russian and the US have expanded mining all over Africa the last decade plus in a massive way. Building roads and bringing reliable transportation which ultimately leads to international airports. "Medical professionals" have generally erred on the side of caution especially since they know little about this disease except in very small pockets.

This outbreak of "Ebola" did not even occur near the Ebola river in northern DRC. There are several other variants just as deadly (Marburg ect).

WE have politicized our response IMO.

 

[Hasselhoss]

So this guy vomits violently for a few hours then dies on a flight from Nigeria to JFK today. CDC says it probably wasn't Ebola and releases the body after a cursory onsite examination.

Nothing to see here... Move on

 

[hikingthehills]

So this guy vomits violently for a few hours then dies on a flight from Nigeria to JFK today. CDC says it probably want Ebola and releases the body after a cursory onsite examination.

Nothing to see here... Move on

Just a little ear ache, trouble not yourself.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Just a little ear ache, trouble not yourself.

Probably just had the 24hr Ebola