I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Gigabyte71]

let's just not have any laws then

Do you realize how ridiculous this argument sounds? Are you helping write dialogs for the left, cause that is the type of stuff they do..

 

[Laufen]

let's just not have any laws then

Why the false dichotomy? Why do you think it has to be all or nothing? When do you propose we eliminate individuals first amendment rights, and who gets to decide?

That black and white way of viewing the world is much easier, but the lack of nuance isn't representative of the real world.

 

[Bulldawg165]

Do you realize how ridiculous this argument sounds? Are you helping write dialogs for the left, cause that is the type of stuff they do..

almost as bad as you believing someone is truly "rehabilitated" and has "paid their debt to society" simply because Big Brother says so.

Why the false dichotomy? Why do you think it has to be all or nothing? When do you propose we eliminate individuals first amendment rights, and who gets to decide?

That black and white way of viewing the world is much easier, but the lack of nuance isn't representative of the real world.

You proposed it as black and white with your "criminals won't obey gun laws anyway so why have them" bit. You ignored the fact that it allows you to send them back to prison for violating those laws when/if they get caught.

It's ironic how many people cry about felons not being allowed to own guns as being "unconstitutional" yet you say nothing about the fact that they were locked in a cage for several decades. Nor do you mention the fact that some people are sentenced differently for the same crimes. But oh no, who cares about being locked in a cage, that's no big deal. What IS a big deal is getting to own a gun once big brother says you are ok

 

[Laufen]

almost as bad as you believing someone is truly "rehabilitated" and has "paid their debt to society" simply because Big Brother says so.


You proposed it as black and white with your "criminals won't obey gun laws anyway so why have them" bit. You ignored the fact that it allows you to send them back to prison for violating those laws when/if they get caught.

It's ironic how many people cry about felons not being allowed to own guns as being "unconstitutional" yet you say nothing about the fact that they were locked in a cage for several decades. Nor do you mention the fact that some people are sentenced differently for the same crimes. But oh no, who cares about being locked in a cage, that's no big deal. What IS a big deal is getting to own a gun once big brother says you are ok "rolleyes"

Your argument is totally incoherent.

 

[GAGunguy]

During a recent discussion with a friend I came to the conclusion that I need to change a long held belief on the Right to Bear Arms. I have long argued that non-violent felons should be treated differently than violent felons in regards to gun rights. I argued that a person that was guilty of felony insurance fraud should retain their right to bear arms post incarceration, while the murderer, rapist, or child molester should not.
Rights as enumerated in the Constitution should be inalienable. There is NO reason a felon (violent or non-violent) that has paid his or her debt to society should be stripped of the right to bear arms.

A felon doesn't receive a truncated version of the First Amendment upon leaving prison, and neither should any felon.

A Westboro Baptist Church member or KKK member with a felony should also have the same First Amendment rights. While I heartily disagree with there messages, I strongly believe that it is absolutely vital to all of our rights that they are able to freely and openly express them.

Opinions?

Some nonviolent felons should be allowed to own guns. I know a nice, single mom who committed check fraud when she was a teenager. She has long since paid her debt to society, and is a contributing member of the community, owns a small business, and is a law abiding person in every way. Her house was recently robbed, and one night a couple of weeks ago they came back, this time she was home. The only thing she has to defend herself is a bat. Luckily she flipped on the outside lights and the perps took off, but clearly, a check fraud charge from 20 years ago shouldn't mean you are prone to thugs robbing and killing you.

And since then check fraud is no longer a felony, so go figure.

 

[Bulldawg165]

Your argument is totally incoherent.

let me summarize your position:

A felon gets convicted by a jury of his/her peers (so far so good), and then...

Gov't decides whether or not he should be locked in a cage = ok.
Gov't decides how long he should be locked in said cage = ok.
Gov't takes away his guns upon release = Not ok.



You really don't see the irony?

 

[Hasselhoss]

Your ******ned right I'd trust him with a gun, afterall, he is still a US citizen and US citizens have the RIGHT to Bear Arms.

Do you trust him with the right of free speech? He did a lot more harm with that one than guns did he not?

If our rights are inalienable, how can they be stripped from us legally?

Where is the word "inalienable" used in the Constitution or Bill of Rights?

 

[Gigabyte71]

let me summarize your position:

A felon gets convicted by a jury of his/her peers (so far so good), and then...

Gov't decides whether or not he should be locked in a cage = ok.
Gov't decides how long he should be locked in said cage = ok.
Gov't takes away his guns upon release = Not ok.



You really don't see the irony?

You are arguing two different topics here.

The problem isn't that the penalty often doesn't fit the crime. Hey, we need room for some dope heads, better let out some violent felons to make room for them. They are now out of prison. The problem isn't, should they get their guns back, it is, why and the hell are they letting out violent criminals to make room for non-violent ones.

I would agree that the violent offender should not be let out, but since they have been, their rights should be restored.

BTW: What is the 2nd about anyway?

 

[BIKER13]

aw heck do away with all the laws he'll be happy then.no he wont.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Can you cite that?

Harvey Silvergate wrote a great book about it.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229