I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Proximal]

Where is the word "inalienable" used in the Constitution or Bill of Rights?

Bill of Rights

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Definition

un·alien·able adjective \ˌən-ˈāl-yə-nə-bəl, -ˈā-lē-ə-\
: impossible to take away or give up
See inalienable.

in·alien·able adjective \(&#716i-ˈnāl-yə-nə-bəl, -ˈnā-lē-ə-nə-\
: impossible to take away or give up

Hope that helps.

 

[sparked1]

Your ******ned right I'd trust him with a gun, afterall, he is still a US citizen and US citizens have the RIGHT to Bear Arms.

Do you trust him with the right of free speech? He did a lot more harm with that one than guns did he not?

If our rights are inalienable, how can they be stripped from us legally?

Does he stop becoming a citizen while IN jail serving a term? If our rights are inalienable, then nothing should be able to alienate our rights, not even a 6x6 jail cell. So, by that logic we should allow prisoners the right to bear arms inside of prison. If you're going to be overzealous about the whole thing, go big.

 

[Laufen]

Where is the word "inalienable" used in the Constitution or Bill of Rights?

I didn't argue that it was, I was arguing that an enumerated right carries with it the quality of being inherent, and borne of natural processes outside of artificial creation.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Bill of Rights

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[Bulldawg165]

Does he stop becoming a citizen while IN jail serving a term? If our rights are inalienable, then nothing should be able to alienate our rights, not even a 6x6 jail cell. So, by that logic we should allow prisoners the right to bear arms inside of prison. If you're going to be overzealous about the whole thing, go big.

FTMFW! I was waiting on someone else to bring this up so I wouldn't have to lol

 

[Laufen]

Does he stop becoming a citizen while IN jail serving a term? If our rights are inalienable, then nothing should be able to alienate our rights, not even a 6x6 jail cell. So, by that logic we should allow prisoners the right to bear arms inside of prison. If you're going to be overzealous about the whole thing, go big.

Can a person that is visiting a jail possess a firearm within the walls? I am arguing that upon release, after your debt has been paid, your rights should remain intact.

 

[Proximal]

Does he stop becoming a citizen while IN jail serving a term? If our rights are inalienable, then nothing should be able to alienate our rights, not even a 6x6 jail cell. So, by that logic we should allow prisoners the right to bear arms inside of prison. If you're going to be overzealous about the whole thing, go big.

Good point. My question is, could they say the right is still in tact, but you just don't have access to the arms?

 

[Laufen]

FTMFW! I was waiting on someone else to bring this up so I wouldn't have to lol

I just don't think you had the ability to express yourself in a manner that was coherent.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Can a person that is visiting a jail possess a firearm within the walls? I am arguing that upon release, after your debt has been paid, your rights should remain intact.

If it's an inalienable right they should be able to.

 

[Laufen]

let me summarize your position:

A felon gets convicted by a jury of his/her peers (so far so good), and then...

Gov't decides whether or not he should be locked in a cage = ok.
Gov't decides how long he should be locked in said cage = ok.
Gov't takes away his guns upon release = Not ok.



You really don't see the irony?

The people decide. The government in it's three iterations are fueled by the voters. I'm simply and clearly arguing that yes there should be repercussions for breaking the law, but AFTER you have paid your debt to society, NONE of your rights should be eliminated.