I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Alphacpa]

Please don't run for any political office...it is a big enough mess as it is. ha

 

[Laufen]

If it's an inalienable right they should be able to.

Then perhaps they should. It's evident that rights don't carry much weight around here, or in the legislative branch of government.

Or maybe the RIGHT to bear arms should become a privilege?

Maybe the reason we are constantly battling to protect the right to bear arms is that it isn't treated as such.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Still waiting for Proximal to show me where "inalienable" or "unalienable" is used in the Bill of Rights.

 

[Laufen]

Again, can anyone think of a time when one's right to free speech should be truncated or eliminated altogether?

 

[Proximal]

Show me

You're right. It is used in the Declaration of independence. My bad.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html


My google-fu failed me. I need to pick up a ****ing text book again and brush back up on my American history.

 

[Laufen]

There's a flaw in the logic here. Some of you want the absolute right to bear arms, but you only want it to apply to certain individuals. Do you see the inherent weakness in having a right that is actually a privilege?

What are reasonable forms of "gun control"?

 

[Hasselhoss]

Then perhaps they should. It's evident that rights don't carry much weight around here, or in the legislative branch of government.

Or maybe the RIGHT to bear arms should become a privilege?

Maybe the reason we are constantly battling to protect the right to bear arms is that it isn't treated as such.

Obviously my answer was tongue in cheek but I do think that even the founding fathers would agree that there are certain times at which "rights' must be relinquished based on one's inability to exercise that right within reason. While that last statement may sound a bit scary when used improperly it is true. We take a criminal's gun away before he goes into the back of a police car. We don't invite prisoners to a 20 year sleep over, we incarcerate them. We have freedom of speech but if you lie to the police, yell "fire!!!" in a crowded theater, call 911 and lie about a crime, etc... your rights will be taken away as well.

 

[Gigabyte71]

There's a flaw in the logic here. Some of you want the absolute right to bear arms, but you only want it to apply to certain individuals. Do you see the inherent weakness in having a right that is actually a privilege?

What are reasonable forms of "gun control"?

Man, you are on it today. People let feelings and opinions get in the way of reality.

 

[Bear44]

At that point you have paid your debt to society have you not? Should they be stripped of the right to illegal search and seizure as well....just in case they might be hiding something?

No, you have not. Part of the penalty is the loss of your 2A rights. This was discussed in detail in a recent thread.

 

[Bulldawg165]

Obviously my answer was tongue in cheek but I do think that even the founding fathers would agree that there are certain times at which "rights' must be relinquished based on one's inability to exercise that right within reason. While that last statement may sound a bit scary when used improperly it is true. We take a criminal's gun away before he goes into the back of a police car. We don't invite prisoners to a 20 year sleep over, we incarcerate them. We have freedom of speech but if you lie to the police, yell "fire!!!" in a crowded theater, call 911 and lie about a crime, etc... your rights will be taken away as well.

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