I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[sparked1]

Can a person that is visiting a jail possess a firearm within the walls? I am arguing that upon release, after your debt has been paid, your rights should remain intact.

I understand, but the basis of your argument is that the right to bear arms in inalienable one. I don't think the Bill of Rights specifies that each right is literally inalienable and can never be lost. I suppose you could argue that it does, but it's not obvious (to me).

The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a very broad statement and does not imply that you get to arm yourself if have proven over and over that you will use firearms to commit offenses. Part of my right to the pursuit of happiness means that child molesters will have to stay away from children and daycares and, as such, repeat violent offenders will need to stay away from firearms. And just like everyone has the right to free speech, you're also legally protected from slander. Where one man's rights end, another person's may begin. It's not a perfect system, but it works.

 

[Hasselhoss]

You're right. It is used in the Declaration of independence. My bad.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html


My google-fu failed me. I need to pick up a ****ing text book again and brush back up on my American history.

lol... it happens. I think they left that word out on purpose. If you look, the only "inalienable rights" mentioned in the DOI were Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

[Bulldawg165]

Man, you are on it today. People let feelings and opinions get in the way of reality.

they sure do, just not the people you think

 

[Gigabyte71]

Obviously my answer was tongue in cheek but I do think that even the founding fathers would agree that there are certain times at which "rights' must be relinquished based on one's inability to exercise that right within reason. While that last statement may sound a bit scary when used improperly it is true. We take a criminal's gun away before he goes into the back of a police car. We don't invite prisoners to a 20 year sleep over, we incarcerate them. We have freedom of speech but if you lie to the police, yell "fire!!!" in a crowded theater, call 911 and lie about a crime, etc... your rights will be taken away as well.

Which RIGHTS?

 

[Laufen]

Obviously my answer was tongue in cheek but I do think that even the founding fathers would agree that there are certain times at which "rights' must be relinquished based on one's inability to exercise that right within reason. While that last statement may sound a bit scary when used improperly it is true. We take a criminal's gun away before he goes into the back of a police car. We don't invite prisoners to a 20 year sleep over, we incarcerate them. We have freedom of speech but if you lie to the police, yell "fire!!!" in a crowded theater, call 911 and lie about a crime, etc... your rights will be taken away as well.

Your First Amendment rights can be taken away? That's news to me. Show me an instance.

Honestly, I don't believe the founding father's wisdom is absolutely infallible. I don't believe it necessary to run the analysis of our rights through their lens.

 

[sparked1]

Again, can anyone think of a time when one's right to free speech should be truncated or eliminated altogether?

Slander = truncated.

 

[Gigabyte71]

Your First Amendment rights can be taken away? That's news to me. Show me an instance.

Honestly, I don't believe the founding father's wisdom is absolutely infallible. I don't believe it necessary to run the analysis of our rights through their lens.

Used to be that a felon walked out of prison and got their firearms returned. Some of these people on here need to do a little research and see who changed this and why.

 

[Proximal]

Obviously my answer was tongue in cheek but I do think that even the founding fathers would agree that there are certain times at which "rights' must be relinquished based on one's inability to exercise that right within reason. While that last statement may sound a bit scary when used improperly it is true. We take a criminal's gun away before he goes into the back of a police car. We don't invite prisoners to a 20 year sleep over, we incarcerate them. We have freedom of speech but if you lie to the police, yell "fire!!!" in a crowded theater, call 911 and lie about a crime, etc... your rights will be taken away as well.

Honestly, this is ****ing gold. hard to argue with anything in there.

This is a hard topic to tackle. On the one hand we want our rights to be inalienable, but that the same time we have to be real about things.

There are so many shades of gray here I feel like I'm stuck in an E.L. James novel.

 

[Bulldawg165]

Used to be that a felon walked out of prison and got their firearms returned. Some of these people on here need to do a little research and see who changed this and why.

Why don't you go ahead and provide reliable sources from which we can start?

 

[Gigabyte71]

Why don't you go ahead and provide reliable sources from which we can start?

Hope the ATF site is reliable enough for you.

How about looking at the ATF site. The prohibition did not go into effect until the 1968 Gun Control Act.

[url]http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf [/URL]