Member negatives

[Lionheart]

Ok. I’m confused. My understanding has always been that no negatives are allowed to be posted unless a member reneges on a pm confirmed deal by not showing up, backing out, etc. I think negs are also allowed if a member fails to disclose something not obvious like a gun that jams, missing an internal part, etc.
But as I check out some members who might be potential trading partners feedback I am noticing negatives like “we had a verbal deal and guy backed out” or “he told me this or that and didn’t follow thru” or “we were discussing a deal and he stopped replying”.
What the heck? How are these negs being charged to a member?

 

[zesty]

I've seen those types of negatives but the ones I saw were on new members. I assume they didn't know to dispute them so they stayed. I, uh, forgot to let them know about disputing the negatives.

 

[fattboyzz]

In

 

[keith089]

In

 

[BIKER13]

IN #1

 

[steelhorse]

Had a guy try to put a neg on me, when I was out of state with a family emergency and couldn’t get back to him for two days. Then after purchasing the item, it didn’t work and I had to mail it back to him in north Georgia ( Atlanta area) on My dime, so he could make appropriate corrections to it, waiting for over a week on turn around mail. Go figure right, but then I don’t make the rules on this sight, the POWERS THAT BE DO.

 

[Jax Monroe]

“we had a verbal deal and guy backed out”

I mean, would that qualify for a neutral feedback? what even qualifies for a neutral feedback.

 

[BIKER13]

Feedback in question is determined by some one else

 

[Joab]

So no one needs to have this 2nd hand ,

https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/help/rules/

Feedback

Our feedback system is designed to help you make an informed decision about who to deal with and to hold users accountable for their actions. Please be sure to check a user’s feedback before any potential trade and be sure to follow our guidelines for completing a deal so you have the option to leave a negative rating if necessary later.

Positive Ratings -

Positive ratings can be left for any deal that went positively.

Negative Ratings -

Our members take their feedback scores very seriously, and that means we must have very strict rules when it comes to giving negative ratings. Please review our requirements carefully for leaving a negative so you can keep it as an option in case a deal doesn’t go according to plan. Any negative rating can be challenged by the recipient by posting in the private help forum.

If a negative rating is challenged then a mod will review the user’s private messages to investigate. In cases involving shipping we will accept tracking information from a major carrier as proof of sending or receiving an item. We will NOT accept texts, emails, voicemails, snapchats, instagram posts, tweets, police body cam footage, etc. as proof of anything. We just don’t have the time or resources to get into anything that isn’t directly verifiable here on the site.

A negative rating becomes an option once these terms have been agreed to by both parties:

• Date/Time of meeting. (Up to a 2 hour range is acceptable)
• Location of meeting.

The reasons for leaving a negative are limited to the following:

• Cancellation of meet after committing to it.
• Failure to show up to meet.
• Failure to send payment or item.
• Item is misrepresented or damaged and it is discovered after the transaction is complete.

Negatives do not have to be permanent, in many cases they are used to force a member to follow through with their commitments. At any time a user can choose to reverse any negative that they have left for another user by posting in the private help forum and letting the site staff know which rating to remove.

Members are allowed to inspect and reject an item or trade at a meet, there is no requirement that they must purchase the item, they are just committed to showing up to the meet.

We recommend that once you have all the details worked out that you send a private message detailing every item involved in the transaction and the time and location of the meet, and ask them to agree to it or accept it. Save this response until you are satisfied with the deal. Once it is gone you lose your leverage.

Disputing a Negative Rating - If you feel like you’ve been given a negative rating unfairly then you have 30 days to dispute it in the private help forum. Please remember that we only accept info that is verifiable in a private message.

 

[Lionheart]

So no one needs to have this 2nd hand ,

https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/help/rules/

Feedback

Our feedback system is designed to help you make an informed decision about who to deal with and to hold users accountable for their actions. Please be sure to check a user’s feedback before any potential trade and be sure to follow our guidelines for completing a deal so you have the option to leave a negative rating if necessary later.

Positive Ratings -

Positive ratings can be left for any deal that went positively.

Negative Ratings -

Our members take their feedback scores very seriously, and that means we must have very strict rules when it comes to giving negative ratings. Please review our requirements carefully for leaving a negative so you can keep it as an option in case a deal doesn’t go according to plan. Any negative rating can be challenged by the recipient by posting in the private help forum.

If a negative rating is challenged then a mod will review the user’s private messages to investigate. In cases involving shipping we will accept tracking information from a major carrier as proof of sending or receiving an item. We will NOT accept texts, emails, voicemails, snapchats, instagram posts, tweets, police body cam footage, etc. as proof of anything. We just don’t have the time or resources to get into anything that isn’t directly verifiable here on the site.

A negative rating becomes an option once these terms have been agreed to by both parties:

• Date/Time of meeting. (Up to a 2 hour range is acceptable)
• Location of meeting.

The reasons for leaving a negative are limited to the following:

• Cancellation of meet after committing to it.
• Failure to show up to meet.
• Failure to send payment or item.
• Item is misrepresented or damaged and it is discovered after the transaction is complete.

Negatives do not have to be permanent, in many cases they are used to force a member to follow through with their commitments. At any time a user can choose to reverse any negative that they have left for another user by posting in the private help forum and letting the site staff know which rating to remove.

Members are allowed to inspect and reject an item or trade at a meet, there is no requirement that they must purchase the item, they are just committed to showing up to the meet.

We recommend that once you have all the details worked out that you send a private message detailing every item involved in the transaction and the time and location of the meet, and ask them to agree to it or accept it. Save this response until you are satisfied with the deal. Once it is gone you lose your leverage.

Disputing a Negative Rating - If you feel like you’ve been given a negative rating unfairly then you have 30 days to dispute it in the private help forum. Please remember that we only accept info that is verifiable in a private message.

Well, based on the above rules why would the mods allow a negative based on a “verbal conversation” to ever be posted in the first place? I mean it violates all the rules above right?
I guess I’m just not understanding something...do mods review and approve negs? Before they are posted against a member? Or is the neg just posted without scrutiny for meeting above guidelines and then it’s just up to the poor sob who got a neg (that should have never been allowed under site rules) to contest the neg?
I’m not trying to start **** here, just trying to understand how it works.